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  • Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?

    He's the carnie, fleecing the rubes. Sorry Flaggy, but youze the rubes.
    What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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      Forget about if he could name either of them, do you think he even realizes that Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un are not the same person?
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        Forget Heritage, Hoover, and Cato. This is the think tank the Republicans should be donating to. They get results.

        A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters’ faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

        They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election.

        The institute is run by retired senior Russian foreign intelligence officials appointed by Putin’s office.

        The first Russian institute document was a strategy paper written last June that circulated at the highest levels of the Russian government but was not addressed to any specific individuals.

        It recommended the Kremlin launch a propaganda campaign on social media and Russian state-backed global news outlets to encourage U.S. voters to elect a president who would take a softer line toward Russia than the administration of then-President Barack Obama, the seven officials said.

        A second institute document, drafted in October and distributed in the same way, warned that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton was likely to win the election. For that reason, it argued, it was better for Russia to end its pro-Trump propaganda and instead intensify its messaging about voter fraud to undermine the U.S. electoral system’s legitimacy and damage Clinton’s reputation in an effort to undermine her presidency, the seven officials said.
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        • Originally posted by ExileOnDaytonStreet View Post
          https://mobile.***********/foxandfri...76338298961920

          Forget about if he could name either of them, do you think he even realizes that Kim Jong-Il and Kim Jong-Un are not the same person?
          I'm more worried about whether or not he understands there is a north and South Korea

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          • Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?

            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            Forget Heritage, Hoover, and Cato. This is the think tank the Republicans should be donating to. They get results.
            While there's no question that Russia had some sort of covert ops going on, I'm skeptical that Trump himself was in on it.

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              Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
              While there's no question that Russia had some sort of covert ops going on, I'm skeptical that Trump himself was in on it.
              "It was a great covert ops! Yuge! The best covert ops ever!" He wouldn't have been able to keep his mouth shut.
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                Whether he was part of it or not is largely irrelevant. He definitely benefited from it...
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                  Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                  Whether he was part of it or not is largely irrelevant. He definitely benefited from it...
                  If he was involved in it, I would have to imagine the penalties/punishment would be worse for him, no?
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                    Originally posted by Brenthoven View Post
                    If he was involved in it, I would have to imagine the penalties/punishment would be worse for him, no?
                    It depends how he was involved. Just having knowledge of it probably wouldnt do much but if he was an active participant then yeah. Someone in the administration knew though...there is too many coincidences over the course of the campaign (and too many random people having conversations with Russians) for it not to be true imho.
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                    • Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?

                      I don't know the answer to this question, so I'll just throw it out there. Is there a U.S. election law that would stop a country, like Russia or Germany or someone from doing what Soros or the Koch boys do --form a PAC, throw a bunch of money into it and start creating ads that might help or hurt a particular candidate? I seem to recall that they can't just give money directly to a candidate or his campaign, but what about independent PAC's?

                      When you think about, countries like Russia, France, China, etc..., have a great deal at stake in the U.S. elections. Our financial policies, trade policies, etc..., can affect them as much as anyone here.
                      That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                        I don't know the answer to this question, so I'll just throw it out there. Is there a U.S. election law that would stop a country, like Russia or Germany or someone from doing what Soros or the Koch boys do --form a PAC, throw a bunch of money into it and start creating ads that might help or hurt a particular candidate? I seem to recall that they can't just give money directly to a candidate or his campaign, but what about independent PAC's?

                        When you think about, countries like Russia, France, China, etc..., have a great deal at stake in the U.S. elections. Our financial policies, trade policies, etc..., can affect them as much as anyone here.
                        Against the law. I believe that PAC's can't accept foreign donations and neither can candidates.
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                          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                          Against the law. I believe that PAC's can't accept foreign donations and neither can candidates.
                          I'm sure there are easy ways around this, though. Say you back Trump. Russia buys the rare, lovely geranium in your front yard for $200 million and you donate $2---, er, $175 million to a PAC that funds anti-Hillary ads. Easy peasy.

                          I assume the way this stuff gets done in OTL is through multi-national shell companies. Gazprom has a Swiss money laundering front that does business with a Caymans money laundering front that has a US subsidiary that donates to the American Socialist White People's PAC (ASWPP) that runs anti-Hillary ads.
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                            You guys ever listen to Jordan Peterson? He figures we're heading for totalitarian mayhem and destruction, but not "because" of Trump, who is a temporary symptom of the madness. He comes down hard on lazy entitled millennials and identity politics and ideologues of all stripes for very well-thought-out reasons. The overview introduction is his interview with Joe Rogan "the Joe rogan experience #877"
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                            • Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?

                              Originally posted by geezer View Post
                              You guys ever listen to Jordan Peterson? He figures we're heading for totalitarian mayhem and destruction, but not "because" of Trump, who is a temporary symptom of the madness. He comes down hard on lazy entitled millennials and identity politics and ideologues of all stripes for very well-thought-out reasons. The overview introduction is his interview with Joe Rogan "the Joe rogan experience #877"
                              The question is whether citizens are engaged and believe in democracy and are willing to face down whatever the generational challenge to it is. Today the generational fight is against a fascist alliance of billionaires and the far right. If we get past that in 2040 it may be something from the far left (bwahahaha).

                              There's no Final Boss. Democracy has to keep on winning, and it has to win every time. So we need to raise citizens who understand and are committed to democratic values, and who will do the work needed to keep scum like Trump or the Kochs away from our institutions. Nowhere is it written that America is forever. If we stop caring it will fall -- forces have always pushed for plutocracy since 1776, and they'll keep on pushing forever.

                              I would like to see us, basically, tell the liberals to shut up early in education, and unapologetically restore civics in elementary and middle school, and basically indoctrinate our kids in core American values (they're not hard to explain, they're right there in the Declaration). I'd wait until high school to get into the bad stuff the US has done, and I'd present those things not as intractable systemic problems but as flaws that we overcame or are in the process of overcoming. Slavery does not negate America, because abolition is also part of America.

                              We should raise all the kids to be right wingers -- the smart ones will figure it out and become left wingers later. That is how it has always worked, in everything from politics to religion. Our problem is we now raise all the kids to always withhold judgment and never adopt any value for fear that value might be exclusionary. This doesn't help the smart ones -- they would have figured it out eventually on their own. But it confuses the dumb ones and makes them very vulnerable to hard core authoritarianism later on.

                              Most people need a rock to stand on. So give everybody America as their rock. The adventurers who are able to swim on their own power will eventually do so, but this way we're not dooming the vast majority to insecurity that leads inevitably to a pandering ideologue.
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                              • Re: POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?

                                Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                                I don't know the answer to this question, so I'll just throw it out there. Is there a U.S. election law that would stop a country, like Russia or Germany or someone from doing what Soros or the Koch boys do --form a PAC, throw a bunch of money into it and start creating ads that might help or hurt a particular candidate? I seem to recall that they can't just give money directly to a candidate or his campaign, but what about independent PAC's?

                                When you think about, countries like Russia, France, China, etc..., have a great deal at stake in the U.S. elections. Our financial policies, trade policies, etc..., can affect them as much as anyone here.
                                It's illegal to take foreign money. Just ask Al Gore, who not only made donor support calls from his White House Office (illegal), but also contacted foreign government officials while sitting in his office to request money (double whammy).
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