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  • #46
    Originally posted by ZedLeppelin View Post
    I'd rather get Peter Elander and his international recruiting reach.
    Or both!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Puckdrop14 View Post
      Does that thinking change any with Idalski available?
      Not in the least. The plan at Penn State is in stone. See my earlier posts for further comments and opinions on your question.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by ZedLeppelin View Post
        I'd rather get Peter Elander and his international recruiting reach.
        That's really a minor part of recruiting for D1 and not going to be as big of a difference maker as getting a proven coach with a very good reputation like Jackson.

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        • #49
          Re: Coaching Carousel

          Originally posted by shelfit View Post
          State already made their decision in advance when they brought Jackson on board in the fall. They knew then that they planned to get rid of Brandwene and replace him with Jackson, so any speculation to any other coach is a waste of time.
          If that is truly what they did, then it would appear that the program likes to waste time. Why spend another six months with a head coach that you don't want if you'd rather have a newly-hired assistant? Just hire him to be the HC and don't throw away a season.
          "... And lose, and start again at your beginnings
          And never breathe a word about your loss;" -- Rudyard Kipling

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          • #50
            Originally posted by ARM View Post
            If that is truly what they did, then it would appear that the program likes to waste time. Why spend another six months with a head coach that you don't want if you'd rather have a newly-hired assistant? Just hire him to be the HC and don't throw away a season.
            Don't ask me how they operate the way they do. If I had been in charge I wouldn't have hired an unqualified and inexperienced alum in the first place. Just watch though, Dean will be named.

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            • #51
              Re: Coaching Carousel

              Originally posted by shelfit View Post
              Don't ask me how they operate the way they do. If I had been in charge I wouldn't have hired an unqualified and inexperienced alum in the first place. Just watch though, Dean will be named.
              Pure speculation, but:

              - They were still investigating complaints about Brandwene last off-season I believe and hadn't come to final conclusions but likely wanted to have a qualified backup depending on which way they decided to go (and most etablished D1 coaches aren't going to take a future potential position regardless of the salary if they get there).
              - Brandwene probably had a multi-year contract that ended this season and they didn't want to pay two head coaches.
              - Given the recent history at PS regarding coach treatment of players, they didn't want to create any sort of a potential uproar by dismissing a coach who was being complained in the middle of his contract - now it is just a nice, "decided to go elsewhere" situation that nobody except this forum noticed.

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              • #52
                Re: Coaching Carousel

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                • #53
                  Re: Coaching Carousel

                  Originally posted by HockeyEast33 View Post
                  ...now it is just a nice, "decided to go elsewhere" situation that nobody except this forum noticed.
                  I don't think anybody bought that "family medical leave" story. Anyone I spoke to at games had the same reaction - it was nothing but Penn State's way of making bad news fade away quietly, because firing Brandwene would have required an explanation, and that would've come with some dirt. Those same people I spoke to didn't really care why he was leaving, either, as long as he left. In any case, fans are ready for the Dean Jackson era and a fresh start.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Coaching Carousel

                    Originally posted by ZedLeppelin View Post
                    I don't think anybody bought that "family medical leave" story. Anyone I spoke to at games had the same reaction - it was nothing but Penn State's way of making bad news fade away quietly, because firing Brandwene would have required an explanation, and that would've come with some dirt. Those same people I spoke to didn't really care why he was leaving, either, as long as he left. In any case, fans are ready for the Dean Jackson era and a fresh start.
                    Agreed. Penn State did a good job of managing the Brandwene mess from a publicity standpoint by not allowing it to become another negative coach behavior story. And they did that while still managing to replace the coach. Good for everyone (except the girls who had to play for him I guess).

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                    • #55
                      Re: Coaching Carousel

                      Originally posted by Case13 View Post
                      But why wouldnt a school with top 5 resources in all of college athletics not do a real search. top 5 pay, top 5 budget, easy auto bis every year assuming the CHA keeps 6 teams. The place ooooozes potential. Why settle for a d3 coach when you could easily steal a proven d1 coach? if he ends up the best option, hire him but in the meantime try to steal a great coach.
                      Not quite. I've been researching and compiling the NCAA financial reports for every public school sponsoring DI hockey for men or women and the EADA reports for all the private schools. Of the 39 schools which have or had DI women's hockey between 2009 and 2016 I have some numbers for 36 (missing UMD, SCSU and MSUM) and Penn State's 4 year average total expenses come in at 7th. The game day operating expenses were 6th overall and 7th per capita. As for coaching expenses, Penn State does not release head coach or assistant coaches total compensation, but total coaches compensation can be inferred. PSU's 4 year average was 3rd of 10 schools that I have the information for, while year-by-year the coaches compensation for 2016 were 4th of ten.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                        Not quite. I've been researching and compiling the NCAA financial reports for every public school sponsoring DI hockey for men or women and the EADA reports for all the private schools. Of the 39 schools which have or had DI women's hockey between 2009 and 2016 I have some numbers for 36 (missing UMD, SCSU and MSUM) and Penn State's 4 year average total expenses come in at 7th. The game day operating expenses were 6th overall and 7th per capita. As for coaching expenses, Penn State does not release head coach or assistant coaches total compensation, but total coaches compensation can be inferred. PSU's 4 year average was 3rd of 10 schools that I have the information for, while year-by-year the coaches compensation for 2016 were 4th of ten.

                        Sean
                        All of which means nothing to the rest of us. Thanks for the detailed explanation with no detailed numbers to go with the explanation. You're fired.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Coaching Carousel

                          Originally posted by shelfit View Post
                          Thanks for the detailed explanation with no detailed numbers to go with the explanation. You're fired.
                          You're supposed to offer him a clean quiet exit, like...oh, say, a family medical leave or something like that.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Coaching Carousel

                            Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                            Not quite. I've been researching and compiling the NCAA financial reports for every public school sponsoring DI hockey for men or women and the EADA reports for all the private schools. Of the 39 schools which have or had DI women's hockey between 2009 and 2016 I have some numbers for 36 (missing UMD, SCSU and MSUM) and Penn State's 4 year average total expenses come in at 7th. The game day operating expenses were 6th overall and 7th per capita. As for coaching expenses, Penn State does not release head coach or assistant coaches total compensation, but total coaches compensation can be inferred. PSU's 4 year average was 3rd of 10 schools that I have the information for, while year-by-year the coaches compensation for 2016 were 4th of ten.

                            Sean
                            So what is the going rate for a D1 vs a D3 coach these days? Everyone seems to imply that Dean Jackson is going to be rolling in the dough! I get the extra budgets and comforts of running a D1 program, but what's the difference that actually goes into his jeans?

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                            • #59
                              Re: Coaching Carousel

                              Originally posted by GTOWN View Post
                              So what is the going rate for a D1 vs a D3 coach these days? Everyone seems to imply that Dean Jackson is going to be rolling in the dough! I get the extra budgets and comforts of running a D1 program, but what's the difference that actually goes into his jeans?
                              Hugely varying, but probably on the order of $30-50K incremental between average D3 and average D1. But some D3 head coaches aren't even full time employees with benefits (see Salem State for instance). And D1 U Maine pays their head coach like $50-60K I think. So it's really all over the map.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Coaching Carousel

                                Originally posted by shelfit View Post
                                All of which means nothing to the rest of us. Thanks for the detailed explanation with no detailed numbers to go with the explanation. You're fired.
                                Here are the average total expenses for all 39 DI programs between 2009-16. The number in parenthesis is the number of years averaged:
                                Wisconsin (6) $4,657,511
                                Syracuse University (7) $2,039,380
                                Boston University (7) $1,986,244
                                Minnesota (7) $1,725,951
                                Quinnipiac (7) $1,702,663
                                Northeastern (7) $1,650,699
                                Penn State (4) $1,625,439
                                New Hampshire (7) $1,612,720
                                Minnesota-Duluth (7) $1,574,007
                                Providence (7) $1,570,646
                                Rensselaer (7) $1,563,505
                                Ohio State (7) $1,559,670
                                Clarkson (7) $1,507,890
                                St. Lawrence (7) $1,445,256
                                Boston College (7) $1,440,327
                                North Dakota (7) $1,396,645
                                Colgate (7) $1,381,199
                                Mercyhurst (7) $1,335,967
                                Vermont (7) $1,292,867
                                Connectticut (6) $1,286,821
                                Merrimack (7) $1,270,381
                                Bemidji State (1) $1,261,239
                                Niagara (3) $1,112,251
                                Robert Morris (7) $1,039,815
                                St. Clous State (7) $972,549
                                Maine (7) $857,794
                                Minnesota State (7) $837,486
                                Wayne State (2) $754,576
                                Dartmouth (7) $693,991
                                Cornell (7) $670,086
                                Harvard (7) $626,158
                                Lindenwood (5) $592,763
                                Yale (7) $586,375
                                Holy Cross (7) $538,558
                                Brown (7) $528,105
                                Princeton (7) $524,302
                                RIT (7) $440,290
                                Sacred Heart (7) $408,762
                                Union College (7) $392,908

                                Here are the expenses for 2016:
                                Wisconsin $2,947,794
                                Minnesota $2,368,675
                                Syracuse University $2,229,744
                                North Dakota $2,132,160
                                Ohio State $2,067,516
                                Penn State $1,964,107
                                Quinnipiac $1,963,711
                                Boston University $1,920,447
                                Providence $1,883,943
                                Northeastern $1,859,094
                                Boston College $1,803,141
                                Clarkson $1,730,918
                                Connectticut $1,684,595
                                St. Lawrence $1,642,123
                                Rensselaer $1,623,794
                                New Hampshire $1,622,109
                                Colgate $1,587,479
                                Mercyhurst $1,515,156
                                Minnesota-Duluth $1,473,693
                                Vermont $1,422,875
                                Merrimack $1,270,381
                                Robert Morris $1,203,848
                                St. Clous State $1,176,905
                                Dartmouth $1,039,449
                                Minnesota State $924,476
                                Maine $897,610
                                Cornell $752,749
                                Yale $718,140
                                Harvard $717,871
                                Lindenwood $697,847
                                Princeton $650,861
                                RIT $638,356
                                Brown $548,480
                                Union College $511,460
                                Holy Cross $478,020
                                Sacred Heart $351,518

                                Here are the average game day operating expenses (travel, equipment & uniforms, and game day expenses only):
                                Wisconsin (6) $611,749
                                Syracuse University (7) $444,837
                                Boston University (7) $408,335
                                Minnesota (7) $361,157
                                Quinnipiac (7) $349,018
                                Northeastern (7) $311,674
                                Penn State (4) $307,441
                                New Hampshire (7) $258,856
                                Minnesota-Duluth (7) $258,107
                                Providence (7) $240,692
                                Rensselaer (7) $226,083
                                Ohio State (7) $209,705
                                Clarkson (7) $190,057
                                St. Lawrence (7) $188,106
                                Boston College (7) $186,777
                                North Dakota (7) $176,900
                                Colgate (7) $175,809
                                Mercyhurst (7) $175,043
                                Vermont (7) $170,926
                                Connectticut (6) $170,687
                                Merrimack (7) $169,459
                                Bemidji State (1) $167,211
                                Niagara (3) $163,801
                                Robert Morris (7) $161,064
                                St. Clous State (7) $161,061
                                Maine (7) $158,046
                                Minnesota State (7) $152,241
                                Wayne State (2) $151,857
                                Dartmouth (7) $151,819
                                Cornell (7) $150,981
                                Harvard (7) $146,417
                                Lindenwood (5) $139,104
                                Yale (7) $137,019
                                Holy Cross (7) $135,596
                                Brown (7) $121,718
                                Princeton (7) $118,666
                                RIT (7) $108,470
                                Sacred Heart (7) $106,156
                                Union College (7) $74,861

                                Here are the 2016 game day operating expenses:
                                Wisconsin $638,598
                                Ohio State $564,222
                                North Dakota $551,623
                                Minnesota $427,562
                                Minnesota-Duluth $347,722
                                Penn State $320,547
                                St. Clous State $307,848
                                Minnesota State $292,113
                                Dartmouth $239,335
                                Mercyhurst $225,493
                                RIT $222,861
                                Yale $216,965
                                Boston University $201,862
                                Clarkson $201,349
                                Colgate $199,737
                                Connectticut $199,074
                                Rensselaer $195,881
                                Syracuse University $194,433
                                Boston College $192,754
                                Lindenwood $192,271
                                Robert Morris $190,755
                                Princeton $186,128
                                Union College $183,771
                                Vermont $178,221
                                Harvard $176,535
                                Providence $171,906
                                Cornell $171,456
                                New Hampshire $167,718
                                Brown $158,094
                                St. Lawrence $156,807
                                Northeastern $146,260
                                Sacred Heart $126,128
                                Merrimack $121,718
                                Maine $114,540
                                Holy Cross $102,796
                                Quinnipiac $68,805

                                Here are the average per capita game day operating expenses:
                                Wisconsin (6) $25,593
                                Bemidji State (1) $17,109
                                Ohio State (7) $16,263
                                Minnesota (7) $15,600
                                North Dakota (7) $13,865
                                Minnesota-Duluth (7) $13,746
                                St. Clous State (7) $12,937
                                Boston University (7) $10,204
                                Minnesota State (7) $10,026
                                Penn State (4) $9,722
                                Mercyhurst (7) $9,494
                                Rensselaer (7) $9,353
                                Wayne State (2) $8,957
                                Dartmouth (7) $8,556
                                Clarkson (7) $8,205
                                Connectticut (6) $7,980
                                Syracuse University (7) $7,915
                                Vermont (7) $7,738
                                Colgate (7) $7,687
                                Lindenwood (5) $7,640
                                Princeton (7) $7,585
                                RIT (7) $7,325
                                Boston College (7) $7,301
                                Cornell (7) $7,292
                                New Hampshire (7) $7,027
                                Brown (7) $6,944
                                Union College (7) $6,719
                                Harvard (7) $6,553
                                Yale (7) $6,452
                                Northeastern (7) $6,274
                                St. Lawrence (7) $5,880
                                Providence (7) $5,807
                                Merrimack (7) $5,796
                                Robert Morris (7) $5,642
                                Niagara (3) $5,360
                                Maine (7) $4,791
                                Quinnipiac (7) $4,115
                                Sacred Heart (7) $3,844
                                Holy Cross (7) $3,009

                                Here are the 2016 per capita game day operating expenses:
                                Wisconsin $27,765
                                North Dakota $22,065
                                Ohio State $20,897
                                Minnesota $17,102
                                Minnesota-Duluth $15,806
                                St. Clous State $12,827
                                Penn State $11,872
                                Minnesota State $11,685
                                Dartmouth $10,879
                                Clarkson $9,588
                                RIT $9,286
                                Syracuse University $9,259
                                Lindenwood $9,156
                                Colgate $9,079
                                Yale $9,040
                                Rensselaer $8,904
                                Boston University $8,777
                                Union College $8,751
                                Robert Morris $8,671
                                Vermont $8,487
                                Princeton $8,460
                                Mercyhurst $8,352
                                Connectticut $8,295
                                Boston College $8,031
                                Brown $7,528
                                Cornell $7,455
                                Harvard $7,356
                                New Hampshire $6,988
                                Providence $6,612
                                St. Lawrence $6,534
                                Northeastern $5,850
                                Merrimack $5,796
                                Maine $4,242
                                Sacred Heart $4,204
                                Holy Cross $4,112
                                Quinnipiac $2,867

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