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    Great... Another year of a disconnected head coach. Thanks Marty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by deltabravo62 View Post
    Great... Another year of a disconnected head coach. Thanks Marty!
    Aw shucks you guys what's another year? Team is supposed to tank anyway...harrumph!!! 🙄

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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question

    "If I go, there will be trouble"

    Team rebuild...

    "And if I stay it will be double"

    Another rough year and then a rebuild...

    I picked that song for a bunch of reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deltabravo62 View Post
    Great... Another year of a disconnected head coach. Thanks Marty!
    No way the Stae of New Hampshire pays him to not work. The Whit will be an empty, empty place next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRef View Post
    Aw shucks you guys what's another year? Team is supposed to tank anyway...harrumph!!! 🙄
    No surprise, of course, Marty just does not make difficult personnel decisions unless "forced" to do so by factors far more serious than wins and losses (better hope Souza IS the right guy).

    As for what's one more year? It's at least two more years tacked onto the rebuild...
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    Yup, another year of mediocrity at best because someone doesn't know when to hang it up. As a newer fan of the tean it's getting harder to have respect for what he did in the past when he is holding the team back. There is no up side to him remaining as the head coach at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    No surprise, of course, Marty just does not make difficult personnel decisions unless "forced" to do so by factors far more serious than wins and losses (better hope Souza IS the right guy).

    As for what's one more year? It's at least two more years tacked onto the rebuild...
    Yup could sense my sarcasm?

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    That sound you heard was Danny Tirone exhaling
    UNH Hockey: From "Why Not Us' to "Woe is Us"

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    Somehow I'd hoped Umile had some introspection and sense of what was best for the team. Once again, he's demonstrated a clear lack of both qualities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Somehow I'd hoped Umile had some introspection and sense of what was best for the team. Once again, he's demonstrated a clear lack of both qualities.
    Question is would UNH pay him if he stepped down? I'm 50/50 on this. On one hand Umile has always been a fighter and not a quitter so I can see a side of him that says, "no, I'm sticking it out." ON the other hand, he selected Souza to be the coach (at least I think he did)and you would think his loyalty to a former player would or could hold sway. We'll never know but, if UNH said take the money and leave, and he didn't, well I'd be disappointed. But I don't think that was in the cards. Feel bad for Souza mostly. Must be very frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    Question is would UNH pay him if he stepped down? I'm 50/50 on this. On one hand Umile has always been a fighter and not a quitter so I can see a side of him that says, "no, I'm sticking it out." ON the other hand, he selected Souza to be the coach (at least I think he did)and you would think his loyalty to a former player would or could hold sway. We'll never know but, if UNH said take the money and leave, and he didn't, well I'd be disappointed. But I don't think that was in the cards.
    So you feel better that he is only in this for the money?

    Let's parse the bs in the release
    DURHAM, N.H. – University of New Hampshire director of athletics Marty Scarano announced Wednesday that UNH men's hockey Head Coach Dick Umile will retire following the 2017-18 season. Associate Head Coach Mike Souza will become the head coach at that time.
    I remember the 2015 release saying Mike would have an opportunity if things continue going as expected. Apparently, running the program into the ground with two 10th place finishes is exactly what they had in mind to entitle Mike to the job.

    "Coach Umile and I spoke about how this next season will be spent continuing the effort to re-build UNH hockey into a national caliber program that competes in the NCAA tournament and the Frozen Four," Scarano said. "That has been, and always will be, our aspiration. We are fortunate to have Mike Souza here changing the culture in recruiting and gaining more invaluable experience to become the 14th head coach of UNH hockey at the completion of the 2017-18 season."

    "I'm excited to come back for the final season of my contract and still have a strong desire to win," Umile said. "With a strong nucleus returning and exciting newcomers on the way, we are determined to get UNH hockey back to the level of annually competing in the NCAA tournament."

    "We look forward to the challenge of reaching NCAAs next year and our focus is on having the program in great shape when Mike Souza takes over as head coach," Umile said.
    Are you delusional enough to think a 10th place team that loses its main scorer and Hobey candidate, and its sole decent defenseman, has NCAA aspirations? Let me stop laughing.

    Umile, who just completed his 27th season as head coach in 2016-17, is ranked ninth all-time and fourth among active Division I head coaches in victories (586), and his .611 winning percentage ranks 11th among active D-I coaches.
    Oh, is he really at 586 wins? Wow, that is surprisingly close to 600 wins.

    "Dick Umile is one of collegiate hockey's iconic coaches and, in many ways, is in fact 'UNH Hockey'," Scarano said.
    Yes, Dick Umile has worked hard to portray himself as UNH hockey. Keep repeating it enough.

    "I am confident next season will be one in which we build from within, make inroads in recruiting and continue to bolster an exciting future."
    Yes, what better way to make inroads in recruiting than having a deadweight 68 year old coach who barely cared about recruiting when the potential recruits might play for him. Let's instead hang another 10th place finish for Mike to trot out on the road, trying to recruit when its not really his strength, while working without the benefit of an assistant who might actually have that skill.


    That Umile is willing to drag Souza down with him, solely to earn that last buck, says a lot about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose View Post
    There's a difference between having a seat at the table, which is essentially what I said, and having a hand in bringing Scarano in, which implies that he was part of a recruiting process. Although Scarano had worked at Colgate, when he got to UNH he had to get up to speed when it came to hockey. I think we can all agree he has badly managed the hockey culture during his reign, now going on 17 years.
    True, true. No disrespect, but my opinion is that Umile had a lot of political capital then and could have vetoed Scarano if he wanted to. With the events that have just transpired it'$ obvious, to me anyway, that Umile is still in control of his own destiny and Scarano is just a puppet on a string!

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    True, true. No disrespect, but my opinion is that Umile had a lot of political capital then and could have vetoed Scarano if he wanted to. With the events that have just transpired it'$ obvious, to me anyway, that Umile is still in control of his own destiny and Scarano is just a puppet on a string!
    Like I said...Umile holds the cards. Or appears to. Of course doubt we will never know what went down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    That Umile is willing to drag Souza down with him, solely to earn that last buck, says a lot about him.
    That's really my big takeaway from today's *news* as well.

    Well, The Quest will be back, and there will be new levels of satire to be scaled from here on out.
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    Re: UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question

    Funny how the tweets from some hockey bloggers are calling out those who disapprove of the decision as "haters" yet they are the same people who have criticized UNH hockey, both players and coaches in their tweets and blog posts? Ho hum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    So you feel better that he is only in this for the money?.
    Reread my post. Especially the part where I say that I would be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyRef View Post
    Like I said...Umile holds the cards. Or appears to. Of course doubt we will never know what went down.
    Of course the ultimate irony would be that Umile brings home the NC and all of us post something like; "those people who wanted Umile gone were just fools."

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    True, true. No disrespect, but my opinion is that Umile had a lot of political capital then and could have vetoed Scarano if he wanted to. With the events that have just transpired it'$ obvious, to me anyway, that Umile is still in control of his own destiny and Scarano is just a puppet on a string!
    He did sign a three year contract, with year two just finished. Not sure how Umile is the puppeteer if he and Marty agreed to the terms. They did, didn't they? This take is reminiscent of 17 years ago when some whined that Umile was holding up UNH for more money by negotiating with UMass.

    Look, as I said before, I'd be disappointed if Umile refused to take the money and still retire. But I'd also be disappointed if UNH said, no, you have to coach in order to receive the money. I suppose two years ago Marty could have fired Umile, he's certainly wasn't averse to doing it in other sports. The three year deal was a compromise solution. And usually compromise solutions don't please diehards on either side of the equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    That's really my big takeaway from today's *news* as well.

    Well, The Quest will be back, and there will be new levels of satire to be scaled from here on out.
    Chuck, would you forego 250,000 bucks?. And don't lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    Of course the ultimate irony would be that Umile brings home the NC and all of us post something like; "those people who wanted Umile gone were just fools."
    ....Bring it on then!! As an umpire and teacher for 30 plus years I have been called worse 😳
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