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Originally posted by Darius View PostI posted before, I think on last weekend's game thread, that the U paying someone not to coach (or not to do anything) is bad PR as they head to Concord fighting for every penny. Consultant would be better than not being there, but it is just a title. He can, and probably is, consulting with Souza and Stewart every day as HC.
Originally posted by e.cat View PostReally? When Sacarano was brought in Umile was King of the hill, the only game in town, and you're telling me Umile didn't have a place at the table? I don't think so!Last edited by NCAA watcher; 03-14-2017, 07:20 PM.The Souza record:
15-16 10th place
16-17 10th place
17-18 11th place
18-19 8th place
19-20 9th place
20-21 10th place
21-22 9th place
22-23 10th place
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Originally posted by Darius View PostI posted before, I think on last weekend's game thread, that the U paying someone not to coach (or not to do anything) is bad PR as they head to Concord fighting for every penny. Consultant would be better than not being there, but it is just a title. He can, and probably is, consulting with Souza and Stewart every day as HC.
We finished the season, the last 2 weeks not the last day, positively. I'm not all that concerned about who the HC is next year, assume it will be Coach Umile and would love to see him finish on a relative high note.UNH Hockey: You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!
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Originally posted by NCAA watcher View PostMaybe hire him as consultant to hang around the old persons retirement home, looking for the next millionaire librarian?
Umile being able to get Scarano to abdicate his job and instead allow Umile to hire his successor probably used up last political capital.UNH Hockey: You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View PostNot sure how old you are but my guess is that you are not collecting social security. I am, and one of the reasons I retired and sold my business in the process is because I knew I had lost my fastball. There was a time that I thought I'd work until I was 70 or so. However when I got to be 63 or 64 I could start to sense that my business world (insurance) was starting to pass me by. So I started the process. It took over two years but I can tell you I left with no regrets.
Now Umile is not an insurance agent, but he has been a highly respected individual in his profession. Sad to say that, no matter the profession, there a lot of people who just don't get that they are not up to speed anymore. I have a couple of good friends my age in the business who just can't give it up, even if one is 72 and the other 68. Now Umile doesn't call the shots like my friends and I did. But like us he's going to,have to self-discover. Not everybody is wired that way, even when the obvious is staring them in the face.
Came to UNH in 1970. Loved Umile as a player. He did a lot for the program as a coach. But it's time for a change. When you "lose your fastball", it's time. The mythical number is just a number. It's time for a new guy to get a shot at resurrecting the program.
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Originally posted by HockeyRef View PostChuck I will go out on a limb and pose this q to you...sure it's entirely possible maybe even likely that DU was given the 3 year gig to tidy up things, get to 600, win a NC etc but now you use the word "allowed" to stay? I guess what I have a hard time believing is he would actually be pushed to leave by MS (BS whatever the number is )..I know wildcatdc has alluded to this in his preseason posts so this could be possible I guess...but seems to me he (DU) has held all the cards to this point?
Will Marty actually say "welp it's been nice but it's time" and can UNH pay him for leaving early? Maybe some of that money from the librarian is still in escrow...In all seriousness unless DU decides that now is the time am curious (almost incredulous) that MS will show him the door.
Whether it's called a buyout, early retirement, etc. ... Coach has virtually zero leverage, being under contract for one more season at his alma mater, with no recent track record of success to support his continued presence at the front of his program. He's probably spent the last remaining bit of his capital on hiring Souza as his own replacement (as 'Watcher points out), and in doing so, he continues to coach at the AD's generosity. The cost associated with a buyout (max the one year remaining on his deal) has never been lower, and the case for his continued presence as HC has never been weaker.
I'm sure there will be a few folks up in Concord who would gripe if they bought Coach out early ... but think about it, what's the real cost to do this? Coach Souza and Coach Stewart are both already under contract, so UNH was going to pay all three guys next season anyway. If you replace Coach Umile next season with an assistant making a fraction of what Umile makes, then that (plus any contractual "bump" that Souza may get for moving to the HC job a year earlier than expected) is the actual added or extra cost of buying him out. And my guess is that number would be a lot closer to $100,000 (if that?) than the $250,000 or so you're already obligated to pay Coach Umile regardless.
Coach Umile hasn't been holding all the cards since he agreed to the 3 year plan with his guy (instead of Borek or an outside candidate from a national search) waiting to take over when he finished up.
My guess (and yes, it's a guess, but with some logic) is the decision is finalized tomorrow - by the AD, not Coach - and then on Thursday there is the season-ending presser, plus the HE awards banquet later that night.
If Coach is still in charge after Thursday's events, then it's on with The Quest for the NRN, I'm afraid. JMHO.Sworn Enemy of the Perpetually Offended
Montreal Expos Forever ...
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Originally posted by Felger View PostAnd another one gone,
Another one gone
Another one bites the dust
http://www.collegehockeynews.com/new...-UNO-Coach.php
edit: Andy Murray, WesternLast edited by NCAA watcher; 03-15-2017, 06:50 AM.The Souza record:
15-16 10th place
16-17 10th place
17-18 11th place
18-19 8th place
19-20 9th place
20-21 10th place
21-22 9th place
22-23 10th place
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Originally posted by e.cat View PostReally? When Sacarano was brought in Umile was King of the hill, the only game in town, and you're telling me Umile didn't have a place at the table? I don't think so!
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Originally posted by NCAA watcher View PostAdd Red Berenson at Michigan. Now just Umile and York in the over 60 set.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrose View PostDean Blais as well. Young man's game. It wouldn't shock me if York retired as well. He's 71 and he has had to deal with this vision problem for the past couple of years. If BC has a run in the playoffs, gets to the FF, he might bid adieu.Last edited by Dan; 03-15-2017, 08:46 AM.Live Free or Die!!
Miami University '03
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Originally posted by NCAA watcher View PostAdd Red Berenson at Michigan. Now just Umile and York in the over 60 set.
edit: Andy Murray, Western
"You see it when a coach becomes synonymous with a program and nobody can tell him it's over. Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden are the prime exemplars. Those regimes had upward blips that were just enough ammunition to say "he's still got it" amidst a steady long-term decline, and ending them was either a nasty fight (Bowden) or only triggered by something unthinkable Paterno"
-the column ended with a very true statement we ALL deal with at one time or another: "Time makes beggars of us all"....Last edited by HockeyRef; 03-15-2017, 11:00 AM.I'm just here for the hockey...
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question
College hockey coaching is a young mans game. You have to have the energy and motivation (recruiting trips, etc) and also connect with potential recruits. I cant speak highly enough of Coach Umile. He is a legend. That being said I think most of us are in agreement that its best for the UNH hockey program for him to retire at this point so we can transition into the next phase of UNH hockey. The program needs a shot in the arm. I expect an announcement tomorrow that he is in fact retiring and Souza takes over.
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question
Originally posted by Lemonade View PostCollege hockey coaching is a young mans game. You have to have the energy and motivation (recruiting trips, etc) and also connect with potential recruits. I cant speak highly enough of Coach Umile. He is a legend. That being said I think most of us are in agreement that its best for the UNH hockey program for him to retire at this point so we can transition into the next phase of UNH hockey. The program needs a shot in the arm. I expect an announcement tomorrow that he is in fact retiring and Souza takes over.The Souza record:
15-16 10th place
16-17 10th place
17-18 11th place
18-19 8th place
19-20 9th place
20-21 10th place
21-22 9th place
22-23 10th place
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question
Originally posted by Lemonade View PostCollege hockey coaching is a young mans game. You have to have the energy and motivation (recruiting trips, etc) and also connect with potential recruits. I cant speak highly enough of Coach Umile. He is a legend. That being said I think most of us are in agreement that its best for the UNH hockey program for him to retire at this point so we can transition into the next phase of UNH hockey. The program needs a shot in the arm. I expect an announcement tomorrow that he is in fact retiring and Souza takes over.
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