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  • #16
    Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

    Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
    He's a bot.
    Perhaps he's just been bought.
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    • #17
      Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

      Originally posted by MinnesotaNorthStar View Post
      Not to defend the ridiculousness that was the EMAILZ!!! outrage during the election, but the type of information that can be obtained hacking the Secretary of State's email vs. the Governor of Indiana's are world's apart. I do get the irony of it, but it's still a false equivalency.
      My understanding of HER EMAILZ!!! was that her behavior as SOS was an indicator of her future behavior as POTUS. The main line of attack was that her supposed sins indicated a character that was too dangerous for a president. That allowed her accusers to sidestep the inconvenience that her "crimes" harmed no one and exposed no critical information to bad actors.

      So for anyone who bought into HER EMAILZ!!!, it is not a false equivalency. By their own argument, Pence is unfit for office because this indicates he is both reckless and dishonest.
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      • #18
        Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

        Originally posted by jerphisch View Post
        So why lie about it? Over and over and over.
        You only assume it's a lie because of your preconceived notion that he's guilty. It's just like a person who is accused of rape. They're guilty until proved innocent, and when proved innocent, they "got away with it".

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        • #19
          Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          My understanding of HER EMAILZ!!! was that her behavior as SOS was an indicator of her future behavior as POTUS. The main line of attack was that her supposed sins indicated a character that was too dangerous for a president.
          Interesting argument for them to take given everything we knew about Trump's character leading up to the election. As much as I had to hold my nose to vote for her, I'd have had to sell my soul to vote for Trump.

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          • #20
            Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

            Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
            You only assume it's a lie because of your preconceived notion that he's guilty. It's just like a person who is accused of rape. They're guilty until proved innocent, and when proved innocent, they "got away with it".
            Which part of Trump denying any contact with Russia by anyone in his campaign, and now multiple people in his campaign admitting contact with Russia, leaves you room to say it wasn't a lie?

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            • #21
              Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

              Originally posted by Wisko
              That seems to be the conventional thinking, but FWIW, I'm not convinced it's a winning strategy for Dems in 4 years. It seems to me Republicans are in power not because of their obstructionist activities but rather, in spite of them. It just so happened that the Outsider ran as an R and by and large, they were able to latch on to him late in the game despite their previous opposition. Swing voters didn't so much support R's in my mind, but more opposed the get nothing done status quo. It's perhaps unfair to Dems now, but it's hard to see how all out political warfare will win the hearts and minds of the swing votes when that very thing was a factor in motivating the swing vote to the outsider in the first place.
              Normally I agree but this is a different animal now. This isnt about winning hearts and minds...they tried that and it failed. People crave scandals and people to hate these days...and the top of the GOP ticket is giving them plenty. Dont let America forget this crap...if fake Hillary scandals can persist for years so can legit tD scandals.
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              • #22
                Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                My understanding of HER EMAILZ!!! was that her behavior as SOS was an indicator of her future behavior as POTUS. The main line of attack was that her supposed sins indicated a character that was too dangerous for a president. That allowed her accusers to sidestep the inconvenience that her "crimes" harmed no one and exposed no critical information to bad actors.

                So for anyone who bought into HER EMAILZ!!!, it is not a false equivalency. By their own argument, Pence is unfit for office because this indicates he is both reckless and dishonest.
                That is definitely true for the people around here who brought it up...
                "It's as if the Drumpf Administration is made up of the worst and unfunny parts of the Cleveland Browns, Washington Generals, and the alien Mon-Stars from Space Jam."
                -aparch

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                • #23
                  Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

                  Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
                  Interesting argument for them to take given everything we knew about Trump's character leading up to the election. As much as I had to hold my nose to vote for her, I'd have had to sell my soul to vote for Trump.
                  The Trumpettes in my office believe he's "just been slandered by those lyin' libs." The fundies even believe he's a Man Of God.

                  Facts means nothing to the 29%. They have been completely programmed by their captors. Look at Flag.

                  But as somebody said, we don't need them. The Dems should spend every waking moment pushing Trump & his gang into more and more ridiculous lies. The 29% are hopeless, but we can tar and feather the entire right with guilt by association with those numbnuts and many nearer the middle will either flip or at least distance themselves.

                  Remember the one advantage for the Out Party is you don't have to defend anything, you only have to expose what the incumbents are doing and promise you'll drain the swamp. The GOP did not have a single idea that the majority of Americans supported, yet they won a clean sweep of the government, simply by attacking. In the short run, that is what we must do.
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                  • #24
                    Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

                    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    Normally I agree but this is a different animal now. This isnt about winning hearts and minds...they tried that and it failed. People crave scandals and people to hate these days...and the top of the GOP ticket is giving them plenty. Dont let America forget this crap...if fake Hillary scandals can persist for years so can legit tD scandals.
                    Hearts and minds actually succeeded. Just not in the way you think. People are sick of identity politics. That doesn't make you have a heart. It may have worked for the last at least 50 years, but it isn't working now.

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                    • #25
                      Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

                      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                      The Trumpettes in my office believe he's "just been slandered by those lyin' libs." The fundies even believe he's a Man Of God.

                      Facts means nothing to the 29%. They have been completely programmed by their captors. Look at Flag.

                      But as somebody said, we don't need them. The Dems should spend every waking moment pushing Trump & his gang into more and more ridiculous lies. The 29% are hopeless, but we can tar and feather the entire right with guilt by association with those numbnuts and many nearer the middle will either flip or at least distance themselves.

                      Remember the one advantage for the Out Party is you don't have to defend anything, you only have to expose what the incumbents are doing and promise you'll drain the swamp. The GOP did not have a single idea that the majority of Americans supported, yet they won a clean sweep of the government, simply by attacking. In the short run, that is what we must do.
                      Yep, keep calling us racists, sexists, homophobes, whatever term you want to come up with. You should have learned from 2016 that the guilt by association didn't work. And yet, you double down. Churchill was right, you really have no brain.

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                      • #26
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                        You did it, Kep! You got flaggy to admit he's a Trumpette!
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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by Spartanforlife4 View Post
                          You did it, Kep! You got flaggy to admit he's a Trumpette!
                          Because he wants to lump us into one? You really ARE obsessed with identity politics...

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                          • #28
                            Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

                            Guess what: it wasn't some pro-Trump racist... http://www.infowars.com/man-arrested...uslim-convert/

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                            • #29
                              Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

                              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                              Guess what: it wasn't some pro-Trump racist... http://www.infowars.com/man-arrested...uslim-convert/


                              Here's the NYTimes story.

                              He's not responsible for anywhere near a majority of the threats or anything but still, this nutjob worked for the Intercept which is run by Glenn Greenwald and was fired for making stuff up a while back, some of it widely quoted. Glenn freaking Greenwald. He's the guy Snowden handed all the documents over to. What a bizarro world story.
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                              I'm with Wisko and Tim.
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                              • #30
                                Re: POTUS 45.6 - Russia Is Just A Witch Hunt

                                Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
                                Guess what: it wasn't some pro-Trump racist... http://www.infowars.com/man-arrested...uslim-convert/
                                Guess what: this guy was. So what's your point? That Trumpism hasn't emboldened rightwing wackjobs who want to hurt people?

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