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  • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

    I don't see how Duluth doesn't go to Fargo.
    DU is flying anyway. Duluth doesn't have to.

    I also highly expect Providence to be in Providence. It happened just a couple years ago with much the same situation. And the attendance boost will be too hard to ignore.

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    • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

      1. Denver
      2. Minn-Duluth
      3. Harvard
      4. Minnesota
      ---------------
      5. Lowell
      6. Western Michigan
      7. BU
      8. Union
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      9. Penn State
      10. North Dakota
      11. Cornell
      12. Air Force
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      13. Notre Dame
      14. Providence
      15. Ohio State
      27. Michigan Tech



      West - Fargo, ND
      1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
      8. Union v. 10. North Dakota

      Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
      2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
      7. BU v. 9. Penn State

      East, Providence, RI
      3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
      6. Western Michigan v. 11. Cornell

      Northeast - Manchester, NH
      4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
      5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force

      Swap BU and Western for the sake of attendance

      West - Fargo, ND
      1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
      8. Union v. 10. North Dakota

      Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
      2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
      6. Western Michigan v. 9. Penn State

      East, Providence, RI
      3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
      7. BU v. 11. Cornell

      Northeast - Manchester, NH
      4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
      5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force

      Lowell will have to carry attendance in Manchester but everywhere else should be good. Denver goes to Fargo because it's the closest regional to them, and I do not believe "we don't wan to play NoDak in Fargo" is an excuse the committee would find as a valid reason to send them out further to Cincinnati.
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      • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

        Originally posted by Patronick View Post
        1. Denver
        2. Minn-Duluth
        3. Harvard
        4. Minnesota
        ---------------
        5. Lowell
        6. Western Michigan
        7. BU
        8. Union
        -----------------
        9. Penn State
        10. North Dakota
        11. Cornell
        12. Air Force
        -----------------
        13. Notre Dame
        14. Providence
        15. Ohio State
        27. Michigan Tech



        West - Fargo, ND
        1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
        8. Union v. 10. North Dakota

        Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
        2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
        7. BU v. 9. Penn State

        East, Providence, RI
        3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
        6. Western Michigan v. 11. Cornell

        Northeast - Manchester, NH
        4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
        5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force

        Swap BU and Western for the sake of attendance

        West - Fargo, ND
        1. Denver v. 27. Michigan Tech
        8. Union v. 10. North Dakota

        Midwest - Cincinnati, OH
        2. Minn-Duluth v. 15. Ohio State
        6. Western Michigan v. 9. Penn State

        East, Providence, RI
        3. Harvard v. 14. Providence
        7. BU v. 11. Cornell

        Northeast - Manchester, NH
        4. Minnesota v. 13. Notre Dame
        5. Lowell v. 12. Air Force

        Lowell will have to carry attendance in Manchester but everywhere else should be good. Denver goes to Fargo because it's the closest regional to them, and I do not believe "we don't wan to play NoDak in Fargo" is an excuse the committee would find as a valid reason to send them out further to Cincinnati.
        As you can see above, mine is exactly the same as yours. I would give a slight chance to a NoDame/Prov swap, and also a slight chance to an AFA/Cornell swap so Cornell is in Manchester.

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        • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

          Denver should be going to cincy

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          • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

            Originally posted by Numbers View Post
            Here's mine....Keeping attendance as good as possible:

            Fargo: 1-Den v 16-MTU...8-Union v 10-NoDak
            Cincy: 2-UMD v 15-OSU...6-WMU v 9-PSU (All the teams who can drive)
            Prov: 3-Harv v 14-Prov...7-BU v 11-Cornell
            Manch: 4-Minn v 13-NoDame...5-Lowell v 12-AFA (Swap the 2 eastern entire brackets if you want. Swap Prov for NoDame if you want.)

            The main thing is that Cincy needs the closest teams possible, so you put the #1s in as required. Denver gets MTU, because there is a big fall from 15 to whatever MTU's PWR rank is. The 4s go either perfectly according to seeding, or you put Minnesota against Providence under the assumption that Harv v Prov isn't 'fair'.
            The #2s go in according to seed, except that Cincy gets WMU. And, the 3s the same, except NoDak is host, and Cincy gets PSU.
            I've got the same exact bracket as you. My thought was Providence in Providence and Ohio State in Cincinnati. There are 3 eastern teams as 2 seeds so lowest rated Union goes west. With North Dakota in Fargo and Lowell in Manchester, attendance is as good as it can be at all four sites. Providence could be a tough ticket.

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            • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

              Originally posted by J.D. View Post
              Denver should be going to cincy
              If you move Denver to Cincy, then MTU has to go with them. That means you assume MTU brings as many fans to Cincy as OSU does, and I don't think that's going to happen. So, you decrease the Cincy attendance, and at the same time make Denver travel further. Two strikes.

              The only thing in favor of that is that UMD can bus to Fargo, so you save a flight, which is probably a net $$ savings. If the committee does that, we will know they are tight with $$

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                Originally posted by Stauber1 View Post
                I don't see how Duluth doesn't go to Fargo.
                DU is flying anyway. Duluth doesn't have to.

                I also highly expect Providence to be in Providence. It happened just a couple years ago with much the same situation. And the attendance boost will be too hard to ignore.
                In Patronick's bracket, it would make a LOT of sense to flip ND and PC to boost Manchester attendance. Harvard, BU, and Cornell would more than do a good job of selling tickets. UML by itself with three western teams would leave a lot of empty seats. But many think the committee is inexplicably dead set on PC in Providence.
                ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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                • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

                  When was the last time the Atlantic Hockey champ wasn't a four seed? This is an improvement for the conference which is much more competitive nationally than it was five years ago.
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                  • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

                    I am taking the protect the #1 overall seed stance. Bracket integrity calls for duluth going to fargo. That would be my preference.

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                    • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

                      Originally posted by Numbers View Post
                      If you move Denver to Cincy, then MTU has to go with them. That means you assume MTU brings as many fans to Cincy as OSU does, and I don't think that's going to happen. So, you decrease the Cincy attendance, and at the same time make Denver travel further. Two strikes.

                      The only thing in favor of that is that UMD can bus to Fargo, so you save a flight, which is probably a net $$ savings. If the committee does that, we will know they are tight with $$
                      The Denver travel further argument doesn't make sense, DU is flying, it's far to both Fargo and Cincinnati. Another hour on a plane is meaningless, and they'd bring the same number of fans. Now you're protecting the 15 seed in favor of the 1 seed.
                      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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                      • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

                        In any event can't recall a bracket with so many different options

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                          Cincinnati will be a wasteland anyway. Even if you put ohio state there.

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                            Originally posted by brassbonanza View Post
                            In Patronick's bracket, it would make a LOT of sense to flip ND and PC to boost Manchester attendance. Harvard, BU, and Cornell would more than do a good job of selling tickets. UML by itself with three western teams would leave a lot of empty seats. But many think the committee is inexplicably dead set on PC in Providence.

                            Main feature of Patronick's bracket is all the Midwestern teams in Cincinnati. I think that is the first thing the committee will do, because that's a friends and family crowd otherwise.

                            After that, in the east, I think there are several options similar to each other, and the weighing is slight. It will depend on the committee's own preference. The choices are:

                            Does Prov play in Prov?
                            If so, do they play Harv or Minn?
                            Since there are 5 eastern teams available for the 2 regions, do you balance (3-2), or fill one and have Lowell stand alone? In one sense, the last 2 questions go together.

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                            • Re: 2017 Pairwise thread

                              What time is the announcement?

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                                Originally posted by Numbers View Post
                                Main feature of Patronick's bracket is all the Midwestern teams in Cincinnati. I think that is the first thing the committee will do, because that's a friends and family crowd otherwise.

                                After that, in the east, I think there are several options similar to each other, and the weighing is slight. It will depend on the committee's own preference. The choices are:

                                Does Prov play in Prov?
                                If so, do they play Harv or Minn?
                                Since there are 5 eastern teams available for the 2 regions, do you balance (3-2), or fill one and have Lowell stand alone? In one sense, the last 2 questions go together.
                                Yeah, if that's the lay of the land then I'd say that's the most realistic... anything else is just too try-hard for Manchester... I also imagine that Minny will bring a non-trivial amount of fans anywhere... 500 seats not unreasonable... along with a LOUD umass lowell contingent as far as I could tell from the NESN broadcast tonight.
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