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    So one of the great things about Facebook is that it reminds you of posts from years past. In one of the posts I made these comments

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    @liamstack: • 31% of Americans, and 41 % of millennials, believe that two million or fewer Jews were killed in the Holocaust
    • 41% of Americans, and 66 % of millennials, cannot say what Auschwitz was.
    • 39% of Americans know that Hitler was democratically elected
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/u...education.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    @liamstack: • 31% of Americans, and 41 % of millennials, believe that two million or fewer Jews were killed in the Holocaust
    • 41% of Americans, and 66 % of millennials, cannot say what Auschwitz was.
    • 39% of Americans know that Hitler was democratically elected
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/u...education.html
    What were these numbers in 1990? 1970? 1950?

    I don't think we're getting more ignorant. I think we're measuring how ignorant we are more accurately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    What were these numbers in 1990? 1970? 1950?

    I don't think we're getting more ignorant. I think we're getting better at more accurate how ignorant we are.
    Why not both?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Why not both?
    How many Gen Xers could identify the number of Americans killed in WWI?

    How many Boomers could state the number of Indians killed in the Trail of Tears?

    In 50 years, my grandchildren's generation will care as much about 9/11 as we do Pearl Harbor. As in not much.

    This is just another in a long line of old people complaining about the young. Twas ever thus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    How many Gen Xers could identify the number of Americans killed in WWI?

    How many Boomers could state the number of Indians killed in the Trail of Tears?

    This is just another in a long line of old people complaining about the young. Twas ever thus.
    Fair enough. I think maybe the important question is whether they are holocaust deniers. That's where the malignant ignorance comes from. Rather than the benign ignorance you're describing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    What were these numbers in 1990? 1970? 1950?

    I don't think we're getting more ignorant. I think we're measuring how ignorant we are more accurately.
    And how many know about the Armenian genocide during WWI, done by the Young Turks? They didn't teach it where I went to school.

    They want people to forget so they can pull it off again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    And how many know about the Armenian genocide during WWI, done by the Young Turks? They didn't teach it where I went to school.
    My 9th grade European History teacher was named "Ohanessian." You better believe we learned all about the Armenian genocide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    My 9th grade European History teacher was named "Ohanessian." You better believe we learned all about the Armenian genocide.
    FlagDUDETTE was in a similar situation during her schooling as you. Bet it's not in the Common Core, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Fair enough. I think maybe the important question is whether they are holocaust deniers. That's where the malignant ignorance comes from. Rather than the benign ignorance you're describing.
    The same poll found 96% of Americans agree the Holocaust happened, and 93% thought it was important to teach in school.

    Funny how Joe left those numbers out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    The same poll found 96% of Americans agree the Holocaust happened, and 93% thought it was important to teach in school.

    Funny how Joe left those numbers out.
    I'm a bit more worried about the respective 4 and 7. However, as time goes along, history does not get smaller. Yet, it's still a limited amount of time available to teach it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    What were these numbers in 1990? 1970? 1950?

    I don't think we're getting more ignorant. I think we're measuring how ignorant we are more accurately.
    The article says the survey was conducted in late February.

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    Re: What the Fark 4: It's not unusual to be strange anymore

    Most of my history teachers in HS were not that interested in teaching the numbers and dates. One in particular said that he wouldn't teach us that stuff, because he though it was more effective to teach experiences to help understand the history. His argument was, what makes you remember the holocaust more? Knowing the number of people killed? Or reading first hand accounts, and seeing pictures? He 100% taught the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigblue_dl View Post
    Most of my history teachers in HS were not that interested in teaching the numbers and dates. One in particular said that he wouldn't teach us that stuff, because he though it was more effective to teach experiences to help understand the history. His argument was, what makes you remember the holocaust more? Knowing the number of people killed? Or reading first hand accounts, and seeing pictures? He 100% taught the latter.
    I would think it'd also be important to look at events that led to it. A candidate making promises to improve the lives of a depressed lower-class society, nationalizing education, seizing weapons from undesirables, taking control over media...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
    I would think it'd also be important to look at events that led to it. A candidate making promises to improve the lives of a depressed lower-class society, nationalizing education, seizing weapons from undesirables, taking control over media...
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    I'd also say that as time goes on, there becomes SO much history to try and teach, that you have to...gloss over some things. I don't mean ignore them, or not teach the importance of them, but a teacher doesn't have the time to really delve into the stats and details of the situation. I didn't know of the Armenian thing until I was an adult. I wish I was aware of it at a younger age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    I'd also say that as time goes on, there becomes SO much history to try and teach, that you have to...gloss over some things. I don't mean ignore them, or not teach the importance of them, but a teacher doesn't have the time to really delve into the stats and details of the situation. I didn't know of the Armenian thing until I was an adult. I wish I was aware of it at a younger age.

    There's only so much one can teach in the time allotted.
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    And what the overlords on the school boards permit.
    I sadly agree with that. I can point out to one example: the Lincoln assassination. It was a paint by numbers lesson, and then I read "Manhunt" by James L Swanson for the full story. LOTS of stuff that was never taught. I'm not even talking minute details. Basic stuff that should have been known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    I sadly agree with that. I can point out to one example: the Lincoln assassination. It was a paint by numbers lesson, and then I read "Manhunt" by James L Swanson for the full story. LOTS of stuff that was never taught. I'm not even talking minute details. Basic stuff that should have been known.
    Living for a while in Clinton, MD the trail of Booth went right down Rt 5. Surratt's house was a short drive down Old Branch Ave. and if you kept going down Rt. 5 towards Waldorf you can take a short detour to Dt. Mudd's house. Kinda spooky when you realize that MD stayed loyal to the Union at gunpoint and Southern MD was more attuned to Richmond than DC.

    It's a part of history that is there if you look. I guess many towns have that, too.

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    Re: What the Fark 4: It's not unusual to be strange anymore

    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Living for a while in Clinton, MD the trail of Booth went right down Rt 5. Surratt's house was a short drive down Old Branch Ave. and if you kept going down Rt. 5 towards Waldorf you can take a short detour to Dt. Mudd's house. Kinda spooky when you realize that MD stayed loyal to the Union at gunpoint and Southern MD was more attuned to Richmond than DC.

    It's a part of history that is there if you look. I guess many towns have that, too.
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