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    Gender Neutral

    My grand daughter starts kindergarten in Sept(she'll be 6)and my daughter said the school she'll be attending sent her a letter asking if my grand daughter is gender neutral? I don't remember her mentioning anything when the boy started K 3 years ago.

    Is that something they do now days?
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    Re: Gender Neutral

    Originally posted by SonofSouthie View Post
    My grand daughter starts kindergarten in Sept(she'll be 6)and my daughter said the school she'll be attending sent her a letter asking if my grand daughter is gender neutral? I don't remember her mentioning anything when the boy started K 3 years ago.

    Is that something they do now days?
    It originates from the LGBT considerations. I won't pretend to know the details around it as what I do know is likely insufficient to correctly explain to another person.
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    • #3
      Re: Gender Neutral

      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
      It originates from the LGBT considerations. I won't pretend to know the details around it as what I do know is likely insufficient to correctly explain to another person.
      When my daughter called me last night and asked I said I'd Google it. Read a couple of different things and still didn't know what they were talking about. I told her to ask the teacher when she went to pick up the boy(he goes to the school that inquired).

      Appreciate your answer though.
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      • #4
        Re: Gender Neutral

        How many 6 year olds self-identity as neutral versus their parents/guardians pushing it onto them? Not saying it can't happen but it seems a bit out of scope. Harumph.

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        • #5
          Re: Gender Neutral

          Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
          How many 6 year olds self-identity as neutral versus their parents/guardians pushing it onto them? Not saying it can't happen but it seems a bit out of scope. Harumph.
          My daughter said it was a "parent thing".
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            Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
            How many 6 year olds self-identity as neutral versus their parents/guardians pushing it onto them? Not saying it can't happen but it seems a bit out of scope. Harumph.
            Agreed, 6 is too young for this stuff.

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            • #7
              Re: Gender Neutral

              I just read the entire January National Geographic which featured only articles on gender. I think you might find these articles interesting/enlightening. Kids and Gender and terminology and the whole magazine.

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              • #8
                Re: Gender Neutral

                Originally posted by bostonewe View Post
                I just read the entire January National Geographic which featured only articles on gender. I think you might find these articles interesting/enlightening. Kids and Gender and terminology and the whole magazine.
                Yeah, gender is just another element of society and culture we're going to have to deal with as things evolve and change.

                And no, I don't think 6 is too young.
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                • #9
                  Re: Gender Neutral

                  I hope my daughter and her husband let her be the 5 year old diva that she is for as long as they can. She picks out her own clothes and dresses herself, changes 4-5 times a day, and cracks her brother upside the head when he's just sitting there minding his own bidness. My daughter explained to her that boys have a ***** and girls a vagina. She said "I have a china?"

                  It looks like when she turns 6 she'll have some choices.

                  The following are the 58 gender options identified by ABC News:

                  Agender
                  Androgyne
                  Androgynous
                  Bigender
                  Cis
                  Cisgender
                  Cis Female
                  Cis Male
                  Cis Man
                  Cis Woman
                  Cisgender Female
                  Cisgender Male
                  Cisgender Man
                  Cisgender Woman
                  Female to Male
                  FTM
                  Gender Fluid
                  Gender Nonconforming
                  Gender Questioning
                  Gender Variant
                  Genderqueer
                  Intersex
                  Male to Female
                  MTF
                  Neither
                  Neutrois
                  Non-binary
                  Other
                  Pangender
                  Trans
                  Trans*
                  Trans Female
                  Trans* Female
                  Trans Male
                  Trans* Male
                  Trans Man
                  Trans* Man
                  Trans Person
                  Trans* Person
                  Trans Woman
                  Trans* Woman
                  Transfeminine
                  Transgender
                  Transgender Female
                  Transgender Male
                  Transgender Man
                  Transgender Person
                  Transgender Woman
                  Transmasculine
                  Transsexual
                  Transsexual Female
                  Transsexual Male
                  Transsexual Man
                  Transsexual Person
                  Transsexual Woman
                  Two-Spirit
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                  • #10
                    Re: Gender Neutral

                    Originally posted by SonofSouthie View Post

                    The following are the 58 gender options identified by ABC News:

                    It sure looks like quite a few of those are synonyms for each other and not each and every one is distinct.

                    If you just set up a logic grid (biology/sexuality/identity) you'd get, what, maybe 16 possible combinations overall?
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                    • #11
                      Re: Gender Neutral

                      Originally posted by SonofSouthie View Post
                      Two-Spirit
                      Hmm...
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                      • #12
                        Re: Gender Neutral

                        Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                        It sure looks like quite a few of those are synonyms for each other and not each and every one is distinct.

                        If you just set up a logic grid (biology/sexuality/identity) you'd get, what, maybe 16 possible combinations overall?
                        The individual dimensions are not binary. They are each a spectrum with infinite gradations.

                        But the point is it's none of anybody else's business what you have under your dress or whether you're wearing one. You "are" what you think you are. It's really not rocket science.

                        The nutbars are terrified because they associate sexuality with violence and coercion. I can't imagine why.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Gender Neutral

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          Hmm...
                          Two-Spirit is a native american term if I am not mistaken. There is a young Native American man here in town that works at the Abbe Museum, which documents the history and culture of the Wabanaki people. He also happens to be gay and has an alternate drag queen persona. I have heard him mention "Two-Spirit" before, and I believe it is an old Native American term for someone that fills a mixed-gender role in the tribe. He is also a master basket weaver, and he has made award winning baskets that can sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars, which is a skill that was passed on to him from his grandmother. Traditionally men made utilitarian baskets and women made 'fancy' baskets to sell to white people, so that is one way he is filling a mixed gender role but I think when he says Two-Spirit he is thinking more of his dual public personas, one male and one female.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Gender Neutral

                            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                            The individual dimensions are not binary. They are each a spectrum with infinite gradations.

                            But the point is it's none of anybody else's business what you have under your dress or whether you're wearing one. You "are" what you think you are. It's really not rocket science.

                            The nutbars are terrified because they associate sexuality with violence and coercion. I can't imagine why.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Gender Neutral

                              Originally posted by SonofSouthie View Post
                              I hope my daughter and her husband let her be the 5 year old diva that she is for as long as they can. She picks out her own clothes and dresses herself, changes 4-5 times a day, and cracks her brother upside the head when he's just sitting there minding his own bidness. My daughter explained to her that boys have a ***** and girls a vagina. She said "I have a china?"
                              Why is the word ***** starred out and Vagina isn't? Was it feminists?
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