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  • #661
    Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    I had to read it to be sure. You don't have to register unless you're carrying. So, this guy is mad you have to have a conceal and carry permit. Great. Let's just not do that either. Then everyone can carry a gun with them at all times. Good plan.
    It's a stunt. He's mad that they postponed discussion on removing the need for a permit to carry after the Vegas shooting...
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    • #662
      Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

      As one person said, "It's supposed to."

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      • #663
        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        As one person said, "It's supposed to."

        http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/201...strict_pu.html
        Better put I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings on the blacklist, too.

        And The Outsiders, because that talks about icky white classism.

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        • #664
          Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

          So here is a question for people from Minnesota. This state has had for a number of years a law that can result in a permanent restriction being placed on your drivers license prohibiting all consumption of alcohol or drugs (without a prescription). I think it's something people refer to as the "B card."

          On Saturday I was in St. Paul and attempted to buy a beer at a local tavern. The bartender asked to see my license. He didn't even bother to look at my birth date (which would have been silly since I've been legal to drink in Minnesota for nearly 40 years and no one mistakes me for 20), but instead turned it over and checked out the back of the license where the restrictions are noted.

          Is there a new requirement now in Minnesota that bars and restaurants not serve to B card license holders, thus obligating bars and restaurants to check everyone's license, or is this just unique to this establishment? I've heard nothing, but one of the guys I was with said that he has some server friends who recently had to go through some training for just that.
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          • #665
            Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

            Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
            So here is a question for people from Minnesota. This state has had for a number of years a law that can result in a permanent restriction being placed on your drivers license prohibiting all consumption of alcohol or drugs (without a prescription). I think it's something people refer to as the "B card."

            On Saturday I was in St. Paul and attempted to buy a beer at a local tavern. The bartender asked to see my license. He didn't even bother to look at my birth date (which would have been silly since I've been legal to drink in Minnesota for nearly 40 years and no one mistakes me for 20), but instead turned it over and checked out the back of the license where the restrictions are noted.

            Is there a new requirement now in Minnesota that bars and restaurants not serve to B card license holders, thus obligating bars and restaurants to check everyone's license, or is this just unique to this establishment? I've heard nothing, but one of the guys I was with said that he has some server friends who recently had to go through some training for just that.
            I worked at a liquor store in MN a few years ago and we always checked for any restrictions on the license...don't think I ever saw one though.
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            • #666
              Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

              I am a bartender in Minnesota (I get re-certified every year) and no there is no requirement that we check for the restrictions. Also, the B card doesnt prevent you from drinking, it is a zero tolerance policy for driving. We can choose not to serve a restricted person but there is no law stopping us from doing it. If that person is caught though and blows .01 they are in deep crap though and dram shop puts us at risk. Many restaurants wont risk that...also, just an FYI but the easiest way to spot a fake (not just about age but maybe your license is revoked and you fake one) is to check the back.

              This is not something new, the restrictions and their consequences date back as long as I have been bartending. With the Super Bowl coming though there is high anxiety over being stung and stiffer penalties if you over-serve or serve someone you maybe shouldnt. Many places are going to be stringent for the next few months.

              What is a B Card
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              • #667
                Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                Also, the B card doesnt prevent you from drinking, it is a zero tolerance policy for driving.
                It prevents you from drinking if you want to keep your license.
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                • #668
                  Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                  Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                  It prevents you from drinking if you want to keep your license.
                  Technically yes but just having a drink with one isnt going to get it pulled. (trust me otherwise every bar would check and kick you out before you get through the door) If you are walking down the street a cop isnt going to pull your license cause you had a drink. I know people who have had restrictions and I am trained to deal with this stuff believe me when I tell you that.

                  Go back to the link I gave you...in reality the only part that matters (and this is told to us yearly by a rep of the state) is "violation of the B-card restriction is not actually considered a crime unless there is a motor vehicle involved." So if say I have a restriction and I get drunk yes they can pull my license but I havent actually committed any crime. As such without some real reason to do so nothing ever comes of it. As long as said drinker is being responsible about his drunken activities he will be fine. Otherwise cops would tell every bar to write down all the patrons they see with restrictions and save the receipts. Easiest revocation ever. They dont do that. Hell at a bar I worked at the cops knew all the people with restrictions and never did a ****ed thing...unless they caused a problem.

                  As a point of fact in the 14 years I have checked IDs I can count on one hand the amount of restrictions I have seen. 3 DWIs in the Cities is not very common. Even those that get multiples usually opt for some other method (like breathalyzer locks on the car) to ensure they dont drive drunk. Sad thing is the amount of DWI clipped IDs I see (which means it is within days) is pretty high in comparison. If I got a DWI (never did but got close...just stupid) I would not be drinking in public for a while.
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                  • #669
                    Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                    Technically yes but just having a drink with one isnt going to get it pulled. (trust me otherwise every bar would check and kick you out before you get through the door) If you are walking down the street a cop isnt going to pull your license cause you had a drink. I know people who have had restrictions and I am trained to deal with this stuff believe me when I tell you that.

                    Go back to the link I gave you...in reality the only part that matters (and this is told to us yearly by a rep of the state) is "violation of the B-card restriction is not actually considered a crime unless there is a motor vehicle involved." So if say I have a restriction and I get drunk yes they can pull my license but I havent actually committed any crime. As such without some real reason to do so nothing ever comes of it. As long as said drinker is being responsible about his drunken activities he will be fine. Otherwise cops would tell every bar to write down all the patrons they see with restrictions and save the receipts. Easiest revocation ever. They dont do that. Hell at a bar I worked at the cops knew all the people with restrictions and never did a ****ed thing...unless they caused a problem.

                    As a point of fact in the 14 years I have checked IDs I can count on one hand the amount of restrictions I have seen. 3 DWIs in the Cities is not very common. Even those that get multiples usually opt for some other method (like breathalyzer locks on the car) to ensure they dont drive drunk. Sad thing is the amount of DWI clipped IDs I see (which means it is within days) is pretty high in comparison. If I got a DWI (never did but got close...just stupid) I would not be drinking in public for a while.
                    Where did I say anything about it being a crime? I was just curious if bars were supposed to start checking for this because the guy who carded me clearly was.
                    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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                    • #670
                      Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                      Where did I say anything about it being a crime? I was just curious if bars were supposed to start checking for this because the guy who carded me clearly was.
                      Possible they recently got burned.

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                      • #671
                        Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                        Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
                        Where did I say anything about it being a crime? I was just curious if bars were supposed to start checking for this because the guy who carded me clearly was.
                        And I answered it for you. (the answer is there is nothing mandated that they have to anymore now than they did before)
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                        • #672
                          Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                          Yeah, handy answered the question. More completely than most questions get answered.
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                          • #673
                            Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                            When the RNC goes low, the Virginia GOP goes lower.
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                            • #674
                              Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                              Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              When the RNC goes low, the Virginia GOP goes lower.
                              And when they go low, we go high. And lose.
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                              • #675
                                Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                And when they go low, we go high. And lose.
                                We didn't lose because we went high. We lost due to circumstances which will not be repeated in 2020.
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