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    I'm throwing this here as a best fit, though it's more about generic politics.

    Caveat: it's a Daily Kos article and so obviously it is written from a particular POV, however it's an excellent article for provoking discussion. In particular, it's useful if you ignore the interpretations and just concentrate on the data.
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    Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I'm throwing this here as a best fit, though it's more about generic politics.

    Caveat: it's a Daily Kos article and so obviously it is written from a particular POV, however it's an excellent article for provoking discussion. In particular, it's useful if you ignore the interpretations and just concentrate on the data.
    I note the author encourages readers to read the book Strangers In Their Own Land, something I came on here and posted nine months ago, a recommendation I'm pretty sure no one followed.
    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    I note the author encourages readers to read the book Strangers In Their Own Land, something I came on here and posted nine months ago, a recommendation I'm pretty sure no one followed.
    I reread the Heinlein novel. Does that count?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I reread the Heinlein novel. Does that count?
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    So if I am reading that right the new system flagged a bunch of people for fraudulent unemployment benefits, the cases were robo-adjudicated without the person being allowed to defend them sometimes many times, wages were garnished and levies put in place with heavy fines, many of the cases were found to be false flags and now the State AG is trying to prevent the people who have had to deal with all this crap (not to mention the loss of money and embarrassment of being garnished) from seeking damages? Michigan just doesnt even try and pretend it cares about its citizens does it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    So if I am reading that right the new system flagged a bunch of people for fraudulent unemployment benefits, the cases were robo-adjudicated without the person being allowed to defend them sometimes many times, wages were garnished and levies put in place with heavy fines, many of the cases were found to be false flags and now the State AG is trying to prevent the people who have had to deal with all this crap (not to mention the loss of money and embarrassment of being garnished) from seeking damages? Michigan just doesnt even try and pretend it cares about its citizens does it?
    Snyder cares about who he needs to care about. Rich people. The fact that the GOP is being so transparent about it right now is the interesting part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Snyder cares about who he needs to care about. Rich people. The fact that the GOP is being so transparent about it right now is the interesting part.
    Why wouldnt they be...no one is holding them accountable. The people vote for it and friggin cheer it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Why wouldnt they be...no one is holding them accountable. The people vote for it and friggin cheer it!
    That is the case. And if they succeed another couple of cycles doing it it may be permanent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Why wouldnt they be...no one is holding them accountable.
    This is the bottom line run here.

    This is just the state version of what the GOP has been doing nationally for 37 years. They can nakedly steal and even be caught, but if there is no consequence they will simply continue to do it again. The real support for their actual economic policies, when you break them out individually, is something like 8%. But they wrap those policies in the bacon of cultural reaction (abortion, immigration, guns) and slide them down the conservative voter's throat, so even as he is being immiserated he cries "more, more!"

    Short of IQ's suddenly spiking there's no real solution to this.
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    Well now, look who's running for Senate in Michigan... https://www.infowars.com/kid-rock-co...an-senate-run/
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    Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

    Seriously, you had to post an Infowars link to the same information that could have been found a day earlier on MLive.com or Freep.com (Michigan Live collection of newspapers and the Detroit Free Press newspaper respectively)?

    Are you getting paid to (attempt to) drive clicks to his website?

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    Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

    Other than Flaggy and one of my friends who's gone completely 'round the bend I didn't think anyone actually looked at that site except for comic relief (loosely used)

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    Quote Originally Posted by leswp1 View Post
    Other than Flaggy and one of my friends who's gone completely 'round the bend I didn't think anyone actually looked at that site except for comic relief (loosely used)
    I am sitting within 50 yards of at least 20 people who look at it every day, unironically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I am sitting within 50 yards of at least 20 people who look at it every day, unironically.
    Are you at Applebees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJHovey View Post
    Are you at Applebees?
    Christ I wish. At least they have booze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I am sitting within 50 yards of at least 20 people who look at it every day, unironically.
    How much of it do they believe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I am sitting within 50 yards of at least 20 people who look at it every day, unironically.
    I am so sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aparch View Post
    Seriously, you had to post an Infowars link to the same information that could have been found a day earlier on MLive.com or Freep.com (Michigan Live collection of newspapers and the Detroit Free Press newspaper respectively)?

    Are you getting paid to (attempt to) drive clicks to his website?
    And is currently being discussed in the Congress thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    How much of it do they believe?
    Hard to say. They certainly will believe it as opposed to NYT or WaPo.
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