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  • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Heck, pols have been elected from jail. But this is a statewide election. I have to think the entire population of a state isn't that stupid. Right?

    Right?
    It is Montana.

    Honestly, I'm not convinced he didn't decide to do this to enhance his election chances in Montana. I'm not sure he's that well liked there. Pretty sure native Montanans wouldn't consider him one of them. They see his type all the time. Guys from the coast who strike it rich in one business or another, cash in all their chips and move to Bozeman or Missoula and become "ranchers." I have relatives in western Montana, and from what I've heard, those types are not all that popular.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this was a staged old west saloon fight with the Guardian reporter an unwitting and unfortunate prop.
    That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where non-conformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose.

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    • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      Good. Please win. Please.
      Oh goodie more of this nonsense.

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      • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

        Originally posted by Slap Shot View Post
        Oh goodie more of this nonsense.
        Same thing the winners do all the time. Why don't you want to win? I want to win.
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        • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

          Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
          It is Montana.

          Honestly, I'm not convinced he didn't decide to do this to enhance his election chances in Montana. I'm not sure he's that well liked there. Pretty sure native Montanans wouldn't consider him one of them. They see his type all the time. Guys from the coast who strike it rich in one business or another, cash in all their chips and move to Bozeman or Missoula and become "ranchers." I have relatives in western Montana, and from what I've heard, those types are not all that popular.

          I wouldn't be surprised if this was a staged old west saloon fight with the Guardian reporter an unwitting and unfortunate prop.
          That actually makes a lot of sense.
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          • Originally posted by SJHovey View Post
            It is Montana.

            Honestly, I'm not convinced he didn't decide to do this to enhance his election chances in Montana. I'm not sure he's that well liked there. Pretty sure native Montanans wouldn't consider him one of them. They see his type all the time. Guys from the coast who strike it rich in one business or another, cash in all their chips and move to Bozeman or Missoula and become "ranchers." I have relatives in western Montana, and from what I've heard, those types are not all that popular.

            I wouldn't be surprised if this was a staged old west saloon fight with the Guardian reporter an unwitting and unfortunate prop.
            Didn't he just run for governor last November and lose?

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            • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

              Originally posted by unofan View Post
              Didn't he just run for governor last November and lose?
              Yes, he lost to Bullock by 3%.

              Good God, the winning vote total for a GOVERNORSHIP was significantly less than the population of Buffalo. Everything from the Mississippi to the CA border should be collapsed into one state.
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                • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                  Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                  Everything from the Mississippi to the CA border should be collapsed into one state.
                  That is an interesting proposition. Not including Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii, the new state would have more than double the population of California (approximately 80+ million people). The new state would likely increase its representation in the U.S. House (going from 111 Representatives to 112-113 depending on reapportionment), but would lose 36 Senate seats (going from 38 to 2).

                  EDIT: Continuing with this proposition, and how it would have altered the 2016 Presidential Election - Donald Trump would have won the new state by over 4 million votes, capturing its 114 electoral votes. There would have been only 502 Electoral Votes in this new configuration, meaning Trump would have needed 252 electoral votes to win. Combined with his other victories, Trump would have captured 300-301 (depending on what state lost an electoral vote based on reapportionment) to Clinton's 201-202 (despite winning the popular vote by 3+ million). In other words, it appears that the new state would disproportionately help Republicans even further in the Electoral College. On the plus side for Democrats, they would almost certainly dominate the Senate for the foreseeable future.
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                  • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post

                    That to me is the worst part here. Lets say the dude lost his temper. How about a simple and humble apology even with some weasel words trying to explain himself. Instead trying to blame it on some "liberal reporter" makes it look like 1) he thinks unprovoked assault is okay as long as its for partisan reasons, and 2) he like Trump is perfectly willing to make stuff up if the facts don't align the way he'd like.

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                    • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                      Originally posted by Rover View Post
                      Do we really need yet another representative in DC like this?
                      No, but if he could be elected we need to hang the ****er around the GOP's necks.
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                      • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                        Originally posted by Fighting Sioux 23 View Post
                        That is an interesting proposition. Not including Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and Hawaii, the new state would have more than double the population of California (approximately 80+ million people). The new state would likely increase its representation in the U.S. House (going from 111 Representatives to 112-113 depending on reapportionment), but would lose 36 Senate seats (going from 38 to 2).

                        EDIT: Continuing with this proposition, and how it would have altered the 2016 Presidential Election - Donald Trump would have won the new state by over 4 million votes, capturing its 114 electoral votes. There would have been only 502 Electoral Votes in this new configuration, meaning Trump would have needed 252 electoral votes to win. Combined with his other victories, Trump would have captured 300-301 (depending on what state lost an electoral vote based on reapportionment) to Clinton's 201-202 (despite winning the popular vote by 3+ million). In other words, it appears that the new state would disproportionately help Republicans even further in the Electoral College. On the plus side for Democrats, they would almost certainly dominate the Senate for the foreseeable future.
                        To be reasonable just collapse everybody west of the Mississippi river and east of the coastal states (CA, OR, WA) that has fewer than 10 EV.

                        9 LA
                        6 AR
                        7 IA
                        7 OK
                        6 KS
                        5 NE
                        3 SD
                        3 ND
                        5 NM
                        9 CO
                        3 WY
                        3 MT
                        5 UT
                        4 ID
                        5 NV

                        80 EV minus 26 EV from lost Senate seats = 54 EV, 1 fewer than CA.

                        Losing 13 states for a new total of 37, the Senate would go to 74 of which this superstate would have 2, just like CA and DE. However it would have 52 House districts.
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                        • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                          Originally posted by Rover View Post
                          That to me is the worst part here. Lets say the dude lost his temper. How about a simple and humble apology even with some weasel words trying to explain himself. Instead trying to blame it on some "liberal reporter" makes it look like 1) he thinks unprovoked assault is okay as long as its for partisan reasons, and 2) he like Trump is perfectly willing to make stuff up if the facts don't align the way he'd like.

                          Do we really need yet another representative in DC like this?
                          Republican Congressmen and Media: Haw, haw; he'll fit right in!

                          Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) told MSNBC that he rejects using violence and blamed the alleged assault on “the left” for taking what he called a “confrontational approach.”

                          “The left has precipitated this intense, confrontational approach throughout the country in recent months.
                          You see who the real victim here, don't you? I mean after Gleiwitz the Germans just had no choice.
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                          • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                            The entire Republican Party can go **** themselves.

                            Congressman Duncan Hunter of California said: “It’s not appropriate behavior. Unless the reporter deserved it,” according to the Associated Press.
                            “We didn’t have a course on body-slamming when I went to school. I missed that course. I’m sorry I missed that,” said Louie Gohmert, a Republican of Texas.
                            “I reject any kind of thing where we use physical violence in a situation like that,” said Trent Franks, a conservative from Arizona. “It should not have happened and the law will have to be the ultimate arbiter.”

                            But he also claimed: “The left has precipitated this intense, confrontational approach throughout the country in recent months.”
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                            • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              The entire Republican Party can go **** themselves.
                              We have the power as a people to vote every single sitting Republican in the House out in 18 months. If every registered Democrat and Unaffiliated showed up on election day and voted them out we would flip all but about 100 seats, even if every Republican who voted in 2016 repeated.

                              Start from 100% turnout of all anti-GOP voters. Aim for that. There is no way to convince the GOP base so let them go.
                              Last edited by Kepler; 05-25-2017, 01:27 PM.
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                              • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                                We have the power as a people to vote every single sitting Republican in the House out in 18 months. If every registered Democrat and Unaffiliated showed up on election day and voted them out we would flip all but about 100 seats, even if every Republican who voted in 2016 repeated.

                                Start from 100% turnout of all anti-GOP voters. Aim for that. There is no way to convince the GOP base so let them go.
                                Then you end up with California. Do you really want that??
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