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  • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

    Originally posted by unofan View Post
    Remember, the Constitution (generally) only applies to government actions. .
    Obviously, but the government of Texas can't pass a law saying a restaurant is allowed to bar a customer on race. Presumably the government of Texas also can't pass a law saying a restaurant is allowed to bar a customer and give no reason, or the racists would just happen to bar every black "for no reason."

    My question is, can the government of Texas pass a law saying a private person can kill another private person and give no reason? Is life as much of a protected civil right as eating at a frickin' restaurant?
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    • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

      Originally posted by unofan View Post
      Remember, the Constitution (generally) only applies to government actions. So Texas cannot deprive you of life without due process (but it could with due process). But it's silent about whether a private citizen could do the same.

      If they simply removed murder from the criminal code, you could argue that the common law prohibition on murder brought over from England would still apply in its place. If they not only removed it but added an affirmative statement that homicide is no longer prohibited as a criminal offense? I don't think there's anything stopping them from doing so.
      Moving murder into the common law, wouldn't that specific state lose the defined punishments already proscribed from those laws, and the varying degrees of murder?
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      • Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
        Moving murder into the common law, wouldn't that specific state lose the defined punishments already proscribed from those laws, and the varying degrees of murder?
        Yeah, but we're hypothesizing about what would happen if a state removed the statute, so they're already giving up those defined punishments and classifications anyway.

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        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          Presumably the government of Texas also can't pass a law saying a restaurant is allowed to bar a customer and give no reason, or the racists would just happen to bar every black "for no reason."
          Sure it could. That's exactly how at will employment works. And honestly how current public accommodation law works, too: you have the right to deny service, it just can't be for an illegal reason.

          My question is, can the government of Texas pass a law saying a private person can kill another private person and give no reason? Is life as much of a protected civil right as eating at a frickin' restaurant?
          The devil is in the details. If you're asking if they could decriminalize conduct, clearly yes, states do that all the time with lesser crimes like pot possession. Can they affirmatively state that killing others is not only permitted but encouraged? Probably not, because then they're engaging in a state action by encouraging it.

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          • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

            Michigan state legislature is now bowing to anti-vaxxers, if I'm understanding this right...

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            • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

              I posted this in the abortion thread but I'll post the updated mess here:

              Alaska lawmaker asserts rural women get pregnant so they can get free travel for abortions.

              This dbag is now refusing to apologize and retract his false, racist statement, blames the media, and now faces censure by the Legislature. Also if you guessed if he was from Wasilla and cast the lone no votes on measures honoring African-American soldiers who built the Alaska Highway and the first Alaska Native Speaker of the House you'd be correct.
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              • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                Originally posted by Jimjamesak View Post
                I posted this in the abortion thread but I'll post the updated mess here:

                Alaska lawmaker asserts rural women get pregnant so they can get free travel for abortions.

                This dbag is now refusing to apologize and retract his false, racist statement, blames the media, and now faces censure by the Legislature. Also if you guessed if he was from Wasilla and cast the lone no votes on measures honoring African-American soldiers who built the Alaska Highway and the first Alaska Native Speaker of the House you'd be correct.
                Well, he'd only be their second village idiot.

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                • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                  Originally posted by FadeToBlack&Gold View Post
                  Well, he'd only be their second village idiot.
                  That's pretty rough on Bristol.
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                  • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                    Are we sure he's not Joe?

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                    • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                      This jackwagon again.

                      But, for Engler’s fellow Republican Rick Brattin, discriminating against the LGBTQ community isn’t just a legal matter—it’s a universally held religious truism. Because, Brattin explained, “When you look at the tenets of religion, of the Bible, of the Qu’ran, of other religions, there is a distinction between homosexuality and just being a human being.”
                      Name sound familiar?

                      This is hardly Brattin’s first brush with ultra-conservative infamy. In 2014, he introduced legislation that would have required women to get the father of their unborn child’s written permission to have an abortion—except in cases of “legitimate rape.”
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                      • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                        Yeehad on the march in TX.
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                        • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          This jackwagon again.



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                          • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                            Townhall flirts with Alex Jones territory in this pantload.

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                            • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                              This is interesting

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                              • Re: The States. It's 10th Amendment or bust!

                                Originally posted by joecct View Post
                                That is fascinating. Thank you for posting it!
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