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  • #631
    Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    @Super70sSports: Today in 1971, Juan Marichal tosses his 50th shutout. 40 yrs later, scientists discover if u throw even 1 complete game ur arm will blow up. https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/s...617920/photo/1
    A little more on Marichal.

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/12394432//
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    • #632
      Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      Because all those arm injuries are faked?

      Cy Young couldn't throw complete games if he threw the kind of pitches contemporary pitchers do. The stress these guys put on their arms is completely unnatural.

      Don't pull this sh-t with a Mets fan, man.
      Then learn to throw like Seaver and Koosman.
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      • #633
        Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

        Originally posted by joecct View Post
        Then learn to throw like Seaver and Koosman.
        So just to be clear, in every other sport athletes are faster, stronger, better trained, have greater endurance and greater resiliancy. But in baseball they're soft now because, why, fluoridated water? No god in the classroom?

        The f-ck, joe? You're not making any sense at all beyond "old man yells at cloud." You sound like Ron Darling or Keith Hernandez.
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        • #634
          Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
          So just to be clear, in every other sport athletes are faster, stronger, better trained, have greater endurance and greater resiliancy.
          If they are so much greater now, why do we need 5 starters, and 8 relievers? A guy can't throw a 100 pitches for fear of losing his arm.

          They may be stronger and faster, but they are as fragile as grandma's china dishes.
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          • #635
            Originally posted by Kepler View Post
            So just to be clear, in every other sport athletes are faster, stronger, better trained, have greater endurance and greater resiliancy. But in baseball they're soft now because, why, fluoridated water? No god in the classroom?

            The f-ck, joe? You're not making any sense at all beyond "old man yells at cloud." You sound like Ron Darling or Keith Hernandez.
            Phosphates Kep. Phosphates. Baseball was fun when we were kids. It's still good, but less fun. IMO it's too programmed and micromanaged.
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            • #636
              Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

              Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
              If they are so much greater now, why do we need 5 starters, and 8 relievers? A guy can't throw a 100 pitches for fear of losing his arm.

              They may be stronger and faster, but they are as fragile as grandma's china dishes.
              It's the pitches. When pitchers started throwing "ungodly breaking stuff" beyond a simple curve, pitchers couldn't do this anymore. Seaver and Koosman couldn't pitch 70 CG a year. Were they coddled or p-ssies? It's been happening again over the last 30 years as computer analysis and kinesiology have broken down pitching to spin rates and placed insane twisting stresses on arms.

              It has nothing to do with the pitchers -- they're stronger and better conditioned than ever. They're just doing stuff now that a normal human arm cannot do. If Bob Feller had tried to throw like a modern pitcher his arm would have shattered like Dave Dravecky's after 100 IP.
              Last edited by Kepler; 08-10-2017, 04:51 PM.
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              • #637
                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                It's the pitches. When pitchers started throwing "ungodly breaking stuff" beyond a simple curve, pitchers couldn't do this anymore. Seaver and Koosman couldn't pitch 70 CG a year. Were they coddled or p-ssies? It's been happening again over the last 30 years as computer analysis and kinesiology have broken down pitching to spin rates and placed insane twisting stresses on arms.

                It has nothing to do with the pitchers -- they're stronger and better conditioned than ever. They're just doing stuff now that a normal human arm cannot do. If Bob Feller had tried to throw like a modern pitcher his arm would have shattered like Dave Dravecky's after 100 IP.
                Feller's curveball was lethal.
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                • #638
                  Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

                  For over 60 years the Dodgers taught all of their pitchers exactly 3 pitches: fastball, curve, changeup. Drysdale, Sutton, Koufax, Valenzuela, didn't matter. Yes, the slider has accelerated the wrecking of arms, but the lowering of the mound after the 1968 season, as well as a strike zone that is nearly half the size of what it was in the 60's has a lot to do with the reduction of innings as well.

                  I have Game 5 of the 1968 World Series on DVD (where Lou Brock thought it would be a good idea to not slide into Bill Freehan), as well as the 1971 All Star Game (where Reggie Jackson decided to play ping-pong with the light towers in Tiger Stadium). The strike zone was quite literally armpits to knees. Anything armpits and below, and the umpire was going up with the right hand. You can't tell me that didn't have an effect on the innings the pitchers could pitch back then as well.
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                  • #639
                    Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

                    Originally posted by JF_Gophers View Post
                    If they are so much greater now, why do we need 5 starters, and 8 relievers? A guy can't throw a 100 pitches for fear of losing his arm.

                    They may be stronger and faster, but they are as fragile as grandma's china dishes.
                    Because a crappy reliever with a fresh arm still beats out 99% of starters with a tired arm on the 3rd or 4th time through the lineup. And teams are taught to work the count - you don't hear people like Dusty Baker talking about "clogging up the bases" with walks anymore. And the mound was lowered.
                    Last edited by unofan; 08-10-2017, 10:46 PM.

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                    • #640
                      Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

                      @mlbtraderumors: Jeffrey Loria Agrees To Sell Marlins To Derek Jeter's Group https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...ers-group.html https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/s...245824/photo/1
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                      • #641
                        Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

                        Originally posted by joecct View Post
                        @mlbtraderumors: Jeffrey Loria Agrees To Sell Marlins To Derek Jeter's Group https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...ers-group.html https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/s...245824/photo/1
                        This is great news in two ways. Loria is out of baseball, and Jeter's group will probably be incompetent and we won't have to worry about the Marlins as a rival for a decade or so until they move to, uh, let's say Norfolk.
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                        • #642
                          Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          This is great news in two ways. Loria is out of baseball, and Jeter's group will probably be incompetent and we won't have to worry about the Marlins as a rival for a decade or so until they move to, uh, let's say Norfolk.
                          Bienvenue, mon cheri!!
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                          • #643
                            Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

                            Originally posted by joecct View Post
                            Bienvenue, mon cheri!!
                            If only.
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                            • #644
                              Re: 2017 MLB Season - The Goat Memorial Thread

                              Bryce Harper leaves the game early tonight after a play at 1B.

                              Not something you want to see too many replays of.
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                              • #645
                                Originally posted by Hammer View Post
                                Bryce Harper leaves the game early tonight after a play at 1B.

                                Not something you want to see too many replays of.
                                Not sure I've seen a knee injury like that since Willis McGahee.
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