2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

[peddler]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

To maximize OWP, schedule teams out of conference that are going to have good winning percentages and make sure the rest of your league schedules bottom feeders. This means you get the benefit of the schedule of your OOC opponents, and of with the rest of your league beating up on dreck, their winning percentage goes up. For example, you play games against the top of the CCC and the MASCAC and encourage the rest of your league to play the bottom feeders in those leagues. OOWP is harder to manipulate, but again if your opponents play teams in the less robust leagues, they will end up with OWPs close to 0.500 for the non conference portion of their schedule. You don't have to play good teams to get a good SOS metric - just make sure you pick and choose carefully.

You misunderstood my question. You did provide a fine example of how one might maximize their SOS. But my intention was to inquire after a source of SOS statistics (as in the old published "pairwise" SOS) to use for comparison purposes. One other than KRACH, which I agree is not functionally identical.

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

You misunderstood my question. You did provide a fine example of how one might maximize their SOS. But my intention was to inquire after a source of SOS statistics (as in the old published "pairwise" SOS) to use for comparison purposes. One other than KRACH, which I agree is not functionally identical.

When they post new NCAA rankings on Tuesday, the links at the bottom (usually) update to the latest stats sheets. After a few days, they usually seem to revert to the 2011 stats until the next week's rankings.

[Birdwatcher]

When they post new NCAA rankings on Tuesday, the links at the bottom (usually) update to the latest stats sheets. After a few days, they usually seem to revert to the 2011 stats until the next week's rankings.

Exactly what I told him a few posts back. Thanks for agreeing.

[peddler]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Exactly what I told him a few posts back. Thanks for agreeing.

Guess I misunderstood you as well. Thanks for the clarification.

[peddler]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

When they post new NCAA rankings on Tuesday, the links at the bottom (usually) update to the latest stats sheets. After a few days, they usually seem to revert to the 2011 stats until the next week's rankings.

Not unusual for one of the websites, especially the NCAA, to provide "historic" info at some point. Thanks

[NUProf]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Not unusual for one of the websites, especially the NCAA, to provide "historic" info at some point. Thanks

Guess I misunderstood, too. I thought you were asking how does a team in a poor/mediocre league get a good SOS.

When the rankings come out Tuesday save the stats for future discussion until next Tuesday.

[Fishman'81]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

To maximize OWP, schedule teams out of conference that are going to have good winning percentages and make sure the rest of your league schedules bottom feeders. This means you get the benefit of the schedule of your OOC opponents, and of with the rest of your league beating up on dreck, their winning percentage goes up. For example, you play games against the top of the CCC and the MASCAC and encourage the rest of your league to play the bottom feeders in those leagues. OOWP is harder to manipulate, but again if your opponents play teams in the less robust leagues, they will end up with OWPs close to 0.500 for the non conference portion of their schedule. You don't have to play good teams to get a good SOS metric - just make sure you pick and choose carefully.

Well, you can't "manipulate" who your conference-mates play. All a team can do -especially if they play in a so-so conference such as the NEHC- is to seek quality OOC scheduling.

That's all there is to it; there's no grand conspiracy at play -or one even remotely possible, considering all the variables involved- and the typical SOS metrics are good enough to hang our hats on, lacking anything better.

[LakerEagleLover]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Rankings are out....some movement in the East. http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/icehock...gional-ranking

[Tom Coughlin]

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Wow...SNC doesn't drop after a loss to MSOE? They must take head to head very seriously.

[GB Puck Fan]

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SNC #1? We're 4-3 since the sweep of Adrian, losing to MSOE and CUW (twice!)... A bit surprising to me...

[Tom Coughlin]

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SNC #1? We're 4-3 since the sweep of Adrian, losing to MSOE and CUW (twice!)... A bit surprising to me...

I'm just as surprised, but it makes more sense if you check out the regional score reporting form.

I'm impressed that Amherst's D3 record managed to be a date.

[pete99race]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

SNC #1? We're 4-3 since the sweep of Adrian, losing to MSOE and CUW (twice!)... A bit surprising to me...

Quality wins versus Adrian (2), Point and St. Thomas very important, esp. if the Tommies win the MIAC conference playoffs...

[NUProf]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Well, you can't "manipulate" who your conference-mates play. All a team can do -especially if they play in a so-so conference such as the NEHC- is to seek quality OOC scheduling.

That's all there is to it; there's no grand conspiracy at play -or one even remotely possible, considering all the variables involved- and the typical SOS metrics are good enough to hang our hats on, lacking anything better.

Didn't say you could manipulate it that way, but that combination of circumstances for the top teams in the CCC is why Endicot has such a strong SOS, despite being in a realatively weak conference. No conspiracy implied, but that is how it happens.

[GB Puck Fan]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Quality wins versus Adrian (2), Point and St. Thomas very important, esp. if the Tommies win the MIAC conference playoffs...

It would appear so.

I would think, then, that a win Saturday (not a given) would hopefully would clinch a bid (unless lots of east tourney upsets, of course.)

Not wanting to count chickens, but I am a bit less worried than I was...

[Fishman'81]

Re: 2017 NCAA tournament selection thread

Didn't say you could manipulate it that way, but that combination of circumstances for the top teams in the CCC is why Endicot has such a strong SOS, despite being in a realatively weak conference. No conspiracy implied, but that is how it happens.

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Endicott has a ghastly SOS of 52 via KRACH, but when you win as many games as they have, giving them the benefit of the doubt -at least to some extent- is logical... There's no way to disprove they they wouldn't have an equally gaudy record vs. a much better SOS. And I'd make the same argument in favor of Norwich (SOS 28).

As far as the rankings go, I'm stunned that they still have Utica at #8. Even as a fan, I can't agree with that.