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  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Originally posted by joecct View Post
    What does this do to the handgun Heller ruling? Nothing?
    The only things were Maryland's Assault Weapon Ban and open carry prohibition in Florida. They're left intact.
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    • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

      How the hell did an open carry ban sneak through the Flori-derp legislature/voters?

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      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

        Interesting to note how much of the coverage of the Colorado baker's case gets the basic facts wrong:
        - the baker offered to sell the same-sex couple any cake in the store.
        - the couple refused that offer
        - the case is solely about the baker declining to make a customized cake specifically for them
        - the baker also refuses to make customized cakes for a variety of other people and other situations (none for Halloween, none with obscene language, none with swastikas...)
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          Clearly, this movie really should have been made.

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            Here's my biggest questions about the cake case:
            If a business is allowed to tell a gay person they aren't going to sell to them, wouldn't that have major implications for Title IX and employment as well?
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              Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
              Interesting to note how much of the coverage of the Colorado baker's case gets the basic facts wrong:
              - the baker offered to sell the same-sex couple any cake in the store.
              - the couple refused that offer
              - the case is solely about the baker declining to make a customized cake specifically for them
              - the baker also refuses to make customized cakes for a variety of other people and other situations (none for Halloween, none with obscene language, none with swastikas...)
              Could he have given them a quote with a high price? I don't think the government should be telling businesses they are forced to do certain custom work. That isn't a good precedent.
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                Originally posted by Drew S. View Post
                Could he have given them a quote with a high price? I don't think the government should be telling businesses they are forced to do certain custom work. That isn't a good precedent.
                Yeah, but that's just de facto discrimination
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                May your paint thinner run dry and the fleas of a thousand camels infest your dead deer.
                Originally posted by bigblue_dl
                I don't even know how to classify magic vagina smoke babies..
                Originally posted by Kepler
                When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
                He's probably going to be a superstar but that man has more baggage than North West

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                  Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                  Interesting to note how much of the coverage of the Colorado baker's case gets the basic facts wrong:
                  - the baker offered to sell the same-sex couple any cake in the store.
                  - the couple refused that offer
                  - the case is solely about the baker declining to make a customized cake specifically for them
                  - the baker also refuses to make customized cakes for a variety of other people and other situations (none for Halloween, none with obscene language, none with swastikas...)
                  This is where I break with the left. I don't have a problem with these people refusing business. As long as the business they're refusing is clearly identified on a brochure, or Facebook page, or somewhere so all of us can just laugh at them.
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                  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                    Originally posted by Drew S. View Post
                    Could he have given them a quote with a high price? I don't think the government should be telling businesses they are forced to do certain custom work. That isn't a good precedent.
                    Small companies, where prices are not published, will often quote high prices to dissuade certain potential clients. However, if that potential client takes the quoted price, then the business must take the job or land in deep doo-doo.
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                      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                      This is where I break with the left. I don't have a problem with these people refusing business. As long as the business they're refusing is clearly identified on a brochure, or Facebook page, or somewhere so all of us can just laugh at them.
                      Should a business be allowed to discriminate against black people?
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                      Originally posted by bigblue_dl
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                      Originally posted by Kepler
                      When the giraffes start building radio telescopes they can join too.
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                      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                        Should a business be allowed to discriminate against black people?
                        No, and that's the fallacy in the argument. I'm not saying what was done here isn't wrong or against the law. I just don't think it was worth it to go to court. The vast majority of businesses out there would have been happy to make them the cake they wanted and who wants to do business with these bigots anyway? Not me.
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                          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                          Should a business be allowed to discriminate against black people?
                          I'd like to see that on a brochure. It'd help me know which businesses to avoid because they're owned and operated by pond scum.
                          "The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." George Orwell, 1984

                          "One does not simply walk into Mordor. Its Black Gates are guarded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great Eye is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland, riddled with fire and ash and dust, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume." Boromir

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                          • Originally posted by Drew S. View Post
                            Could he have given them a quote with a high price? I don't think the government should be telling businesses they are forced to do certain custom work. That isn't a good precedent.
                            He can't (legally) give them a quote with a higher price than he would a straight couple. That's also discrimination.

                            Here's the gist of it, would you be ok with him telling an interracial couple to take a hike because he believes miscegenation is a sin. If not, then this isn't ok either.

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                              Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                              This is where I break with the left. I don't have a problem with these people refusing business. As long as the business they're refusing is clearly identified on a brochure, or Facebook page, or somewhere so all of us can just laugh at them.
                              Depends on why.

                              If you are denying business because of who the person is, then it's discrimination. If you are denying business because of the content of what is being asked to be made, that's different.

                              Saying you will not provide business to bi-sexual couples is no different than denying business to minorities.

                              Saying you will not provide business because the cake has offensive content, well, that should be fine.

                              I don't see any justification of picking and choosing who to service based on who the person is.

                              BTW, saying that the baker offered a pre-made cake is not the same as the baker providing a custom cake. Not even close. That's part of separate and not equal.

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                                BTW, if this case goes to the side of the baker, then it should be perfectly ok to ask if someone is an R or a gun holder to deny them business. I doubt that will go over well.

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