Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

[Kepler]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

(I hate to go here, but) The lack of personhood in a fetus is equally as shocking.

That's a religious argument (which many of us do not share), not a legal one.

But yes, the larger point is that these things are determined at the ground level by politics. Literally nothing is forever; nothing descends from an angry man in the clouds, everything can be changed by political processes given the right circumstances. And that is why I don't trust your side right now to get anything like the power to change in one swipe the fundamentals of the government. That would be a disaster akin to Germany winning WW2. A Germany with nukes.

Your side is amusing out of power. To the extent it gets power it becomes a threat. With a convention that threat would be maximized. We're not off this planet yet so that can simply not be permitted.

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

The Court a long time ago ruled on the personhood of a corporation.

They did so in error.

(I hate to go here, but) The lack of personhood in a fetus is equally as shocking.

Don't lie Joe, the Lord hates that. You love going there, otherwise you'd recognize the futility of pressing the argument.

[unofan]

(I hate to go here, but) The lack of personhood in a fetus is equally as shocking.

If you think it's fair for a woman to be forced to carry a child to term against her will, you should be willing to force the father to donate bone marrow, a kidney, blood, or anything else that won't kill him after the kid's birth.

Funny how the life only matters when it's only one sex impacted and even then only til a breath is taken.

[MissThundercat]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

7th Circuit Court of Appeals rules that a 17 year old transgender boy has right to use boy's bathroom.

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-...ampaign=buffer

What are the odds this goes to SCOTUS next?

[Slap Shot]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

Isn't a transgender boy a male that identifies as female? If so I'm confused why this required a court ruling.

[LynahFan]

Isn't a transgender boy a male that identifies as female? If so I'm confused why this required a court ruling.

Other way around. If someone is an [xxx] boy, then that is who he is, present tense.

[MissThundercat]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

Isn't a transgender boy a male that identifies as female? If so I'm confused why this required a court ruling.

trans boy: girl identifying as a boy
trans girl: boy identifyiog as a girl

[Slap Shot]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

Makes sense.

[joecct]

7th Circuit Court of Appeals rules that a 17 year old transgender boy has right to use boy's bathroom.

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-...ampaign=buffer

What are the odds this goes to SCOTUS next?

It may. Though I would prefer the states solving this legislatively. Secondary school and youth sports will be the 2nd most public "battleground".

[burd]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

It may. Though I would prefer the states solving this legislatively. Secondary school and youth sports will be the 2nd most public "battleground".

If it's an equal protection issue that requires clarification, the SCOTUS should hear it. In the 60s, the south wanted voting rights to be determined by the states too, and that is why the Court's counter-majoritarian role is so important on such issues.

[joecct]

If it's an equal protection issue that requires clarification, the SCOTUS should hear it. In the 60s, the south wanted voting rights to be determined by the states too, and that is why the Court's counter-majoritarian role is so important on such issues.

I guess SCOTUS then will tell us if gender identity is a protected class under the 14th Amendment?6

[MissThundercat]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

I guess SCOTUS then will tell us if sexual identity is a protected class under the 14th Amendment?

I'd like to see orientation and gender identity become protected.

But I will tell you this: gender identity is not inherently sexual.

[The Sicatoka]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

trans boy: girl identifying as a boy
trans girl: boy identifyiog as a girl

< uuuuunkkk > <--- that was supposed to be the game show "failure" sound
Wrong.

Trans boy: FEMALE identifying as a boy
Trans girls: MALE identifying as a girl

Male/Female identify the biologic "plumbing".

Boy/Girl are something else. <-- intentionally ducking that

[burd]

I guess SCOTUS then will tell us if gender identity is a protected class under the 14th Amendment?6

I think uno will confirm that it's not that simple in equal protection cases. There are three different tests based upon the classes created or affected by the state action. Some class treatments have a very low threshold to clear in order to pass constitutional muster.

[alfablue]

Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

I guess SCOTUS then will tell us if gender identity is a protected class under the 14th Amendment?6

"Yes" would be a fine answer.