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  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    With Kennedy likely retiring this summer they're going to get two extreme Orcs on the Court to go with Thomas and Alito.
    It seems a bit odd to me that you would put Gorsuch in the same category as those two. He seems to me more like the Elena Kagan of the right. Even though her opinions all slant left, they are well-reasoned and have a solid judicial basis. The differences between the quality of her thinking and Sotomayor's are profound. Every now and then, she surprises you, as when she voted in the 7-2 majority in the ruling against Medicad expansion in NFIB vs Sebelius. I see a similar parallel between Gorsuch and Alito. Just as Kagan approaches the law from the left, she still reasons within the law; so does Gorsuch. With Sotomayor, she starts with her answer and then works backward to figure out how to justify it; and Alito seems to do that as well.
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    • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

      Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
      It seems a bit odd to me that you would put Gorsuch in the same category as those two. He seems to me more like the Elena Kagan of the right. Even though her opinions all slant left, they are well-reasoned and have a solid judicial basis. The differences between the quality of her thinking and Sotomayor's are profound. Every now and then, she surprises you, as when she voted in the 7-2 majority in the ruling against Medicad expansion in NFIB vs Sebelius. I see a similar parallel between Gorsuch and Alito. Just as Kagan approaches the law from the left, she still reasons within the law; so does Gorsuch. With Sotomayor, she starts with her answer and then works backward to figure out how to justify it; and Alito seems to do that as well.
      So, he's Scalia again? Well, fantastic. It's still a 5-4 majority that believes Corporations are people.
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      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

        Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
        So much for the old maxim, "choose your battles wisely." IMHO, a really basic process mistake for the Ds this round:
        -- Gorsuch is widely praised to be "highly qualified" outside the hyperpartisan echo chamber
        -- he is "replacing" Scalia so that the former status quo remains unchanged
        -- Ds themselves introduced the "nuclear option" in the first place
        -- Most importantly, had they acted with any amount of class and dignity this time, they'd have a much stronger message next time.
        -- now, when "next time" comes up, they are just the little kid who cried wolf.

        Why would they not make a short-term tactical concession here to shore up their resources for the one that will really count later?
        Why should they care if he is "replacing Scalia". Scalia is not some sacred spot...just because they had a arch conservative in that seat before doesnt mean it needs to be one now. The Dems didnt like the make up previous to the troll dying why should they be happy with it now?

        They obviously feel that what was good for the goose is good for the gander. The GOP held the seat hostage because they are a bunch of petulant little man-boys so the Dems are going to be as well.
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        • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

          Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
          It's still a 5-4 majority that believes Corporations are people.

          that is not at all what the ruling actually said. "People have the right peacably to assemble....and petition the government for a redress of grievances."

          People can organize into groups, and those groups can then use their First Amendment rights to influence political debate. Organized groups are not "people" and never have been described as such.


          Are you really saying that groups of people that happen to have opinions you dislike should have those opinions suppressed merely because you don't like hearing them???
          "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

          "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

          "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

          "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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          • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
            Why should they care if he is "replacing Scalia". Scalia is not some sacred spot...just because they had a arch conservative in that seat before doesnt mean it needs to be one now. The Dems didnt like the make up previous to the troll dying why should they be happy with it now?

            They obviously feel that what was good for the goose is good for the gander. The GOP held the seat hostage because they are a bunch of petulant little man-boys so the Dems are going to be as well.

            I merely observe that people who are members of what is supposedly "the world's greatest deliberative body" are not acting as if they thought at all. They are letting their passions overwhelm their reason. No matter how upset and angry you are, you let Gorsuch pass this time, so that you have some credibility next time. Now, when next time comes, they are powerless, and they did nothing at all to stop Gorsuch either; in fact they threw away whatever leverage they might have had in an act of petulant pique. I expect that from teenagers, not from supposed adults.
            "Hope is a good thing; maybe the best of things."

            "Beer is a sign that God loves us and wants us to be happy." -- Benjamin Franklin

            "Being Irish, he had an abiding sense of tragedy, which sustained him through temporary periods of joy." -- W. B. Yeats

            "People generally are most impatient with those flaws in others about which they are most ashamed of in themselves." - folk wisdom

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            • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

              Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
              that is not at all what the ruling actually said. "People have the right peacably to assemble....and petition the government for a redress of grievances."

              People can organize into groups, and those groups can then use their First Amendment rights to influence political debate. Organized groups are not "people" and never have been described as such.


              Are you really saying that groups of people that happen to have opinions you dislike should have those opinions suppressed merely because you don't like hearing them???
              There's a difference between a corporation and a non-profit political group. Or, at least there was, and now there's not.
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              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                Democrats changed the rules because Obama's nominations were filibustered more than all other presidents combined. On top of what was effectively the Garland filibuster.

                Turtleman is threatening to change the rules after just one.
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                • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                  Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                  Democrats changed the rules because Obama's nominations were filibustered more than all other presidents combined. On top of what was effectively the Garland filibuster.

                  Turtleman is threatening to change the rules after just one.
                  Turtleman knows the average American can't make the distinction you have.
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                  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                    Then that's on democrats to better frame their arguments.
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                    • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                      Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                      I merely observe that people who are members of what is supposedly "the world's greatest deliberative body" are not acting as if they thought at all. They are letting their passions overwhelm their reason. No matter how upset and angry you are, you let Gorsuch pass this time, so that you have some credibility next time. Now, when next time comes, they are powerless, and they did nothing at all to stop Gorsuch either; in fact they threw away whatever leverage they might have had in an act of petulant pique. I expect that from teenagers, not from supposed adults.
                      That is BS...what credibility? Letting Gorsuch through wont prevent what happens next. It isnt like Trump is going to nominate some liberal justice just because the Dems played nice.

                      And again why werent you here calling out the other side for literally doing the same thing in the run up to the election? Funny how that works bot-boy.
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                      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                        Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                        Then that's on democrats to better frame their arguments.
                        Cant do that...might offend someone
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                        • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                          Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
                          Then that's on democrats to better frame their arguments.
                          I'm pretty sure that's been tried. It can't be done.
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                          Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                          • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                            Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                            So much for the old maxim, "choose your battles wisely." IMHO, a really basic process mistake for the Ds this round:
                            1 Gorsuch is widely praised to be "highly qualified" outside the hyperpartisan echo chamber
                            2 he is "replacing" Scalia so that the former status quo remains unchanged
                            3 Ds themselves introduced the "nuclear option" in the first place
                            4 Most importantly, had they acted with any amount of class and dignity this time, they'd have a much stronger message next time.
                            5 now, when "next time" comes up, they are just the little kid who cried wolf.

                            6 Why would they not make a short-term tactical concession here to shore up their resources for the one that will really count later?
                            1. True.
                            2. That doesn't matter. There are no "liberal chairs" or "conservative chairs" on the Court.
                            3. This is true, however what the Rs did with Garland trumps everything the Ds did.
                            4. See 3. We have seen what happens when the Ds are the only party that acts with class and dignity. The electorate does not reward that.
                            5. Sadly that ship has sailed. Court votes will now be partisan. This is life with a terrorist organization in power on the right.
                            6. Because the R's have earned the reputation that you can't work with them. Restraint now is merely appeasement.

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                            • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                              Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                              I merely observe that people who are members of what is supposedly "the world's greatest deliberative body" are not acting as if they thought at all. They are letting their passions overwhelm their reason. No matter how upset and angry you are, you let Gorsuch pass this time, so that you have some credibility next time. Now, when next time comes, they are powerless, and they did nothing at all to stop Gorsuch either; in fact they threw away whatever leverage they might have had in an act of petulant pique. I expect that from teenagers, not from supposed adults.
                              I congratulate you on your emergence from your coma. You must have been in one since we didn't hear these words of wisdom during the GOP Babylonian Captivity of the government between 2010-2016.

                              Your concern trolling is appreciated, but we abstain from taking your advice. Courteously.
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                              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                                I'm pretty sure that's been tried. It can't be done.
                                It really hasn't. The left in this country is, as Handy said, worried more about offending people and helping those who don't want it.
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