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  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    http://jezebel.com/supreme-court-rul...-in-1793009857

    Interesting. SCOTUS rules that racist comments are sealed in jury deliberations.
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    • Originally posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
      http://jezebel.com/supreme-court-rul...-in-1793009857

      Interesting. SCOTUS rules that racist comments are sealed in jury deliberations.
      Not sealed. They voted 5-3 to allow inquiry into racist remarks asking jurors.

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      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

        Originally posted by Handyman View Post
        So how is Gorsuch Scalia II? Sounds like something you read on Daily Kos...
        It's basically the same argument that anyone who didn't vote for Obama is racist, and anyone that didn't vote for Hilldawg is a Russian. Just more binary simpleton thought designed to divide the populace so the globalists can take over like they're Messianic or something.

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        • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

          Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
          It's basically the same argument that anyone who didn't vote for Obama is racist, and anyone that didn't vote for Hilldawg is a Russian. Just more binary simpleton thought designed to divide the populace so the globalists can take over like they're Messianic or something.
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          • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

            Originally posted by Big Trev View Post
            Soros I tell you! Scum walking the earth
            Mock all you want; look into it. He truly IS a Nazi, based upon his activity during World War II.

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            • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

              Originally posted by FlagDUDE08 View Post
              Just more binary simpleton thought designed to divide the populace so the globalists can take over like they're Messianic or something.
              Oh, pul-ease. You are the most limited binary thinker on this forum. You divide people into those who are WOKE because they took the InfoWars red pill and all the rest of us who are still fast asleep.

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              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                Oh, pul-ease. You are the most limited binary thinker on this forum. You divide people into those who are WOKE because they took the InfoWars red pill and all the rest of us who are still fast asleep.

                Physician, heal thyself.
                How have I divided anyone? I want to see some actual proof on this, instead of the bully tactics you've been pushing the past few months.

                And if you actually paid attention to Infowars, they don't cut off when certain buzzwords are stated, unlike the Counterfeit News Network when someone says "fake news"...

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                • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                  Originally posted by unofun View Post
                  They voted 5-3 to allow inquiry into racist remarks asking jurors.
                  It seems like Alito's dissent raises some good questions. While being sympathetic to the emotional impulse behind the decision, it raises far more questions than it resolves:
                  -- why are certain kinds of bias a problem while other kinds of bias that are equally distorting of judgment not a problem? if bias distorts judgment, isn't it a problem no matter whether it is racial bias or some other kind of bias? will an atheist's snide remarks about a fundamentalist defendant be the next challenge? or a fundamentalist's dismissal of a heathen unbeliever defendant be the next challenge?
                  -- will this ruling now lead to defense lawyers chasing down jurors after every major trial to pester ask them about the conduct of other jurors?
                  -- suppose two jurors just didn't like each other; will this ruling be a way for them to continue their feud after the trial?
                  -- if taken to its ultimate extreme, will we eventually start to record all jury deliberations so that some "impartial expert" [hah!] can then review them for indications of possible bias?
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                  • Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
                    It seems like Alito's dissent raises some good questions. While being sympathetic to the emotional impulse behind the decision, it raises far more questions than it resolves:
                    -- why are certain kinds of bias a problem while other kinds of bias that are equally distorting of judgment not a problem? if bias distorts judgment, isn't it a problem no matter whether it is racial bias or some other kind of bias? will an atheist's snide remarks about a fundamentalist defendant be the next challenge? or a fundamentalist's dismissal of a heathen unbeliever defendant be the next challenge?
                    -- will this ruling now lead to defense lawyers chasing down jurors after every major trial to pester ask them about the conduct of other jurors?
                    -- suppose two jurors just didn't like each other; will this ruling be a way for them to continue their feud after the trial?
                    -- if taken to its ultimate extreme, will we eventually start to record all jury deliberations so that some "impartial expert" [hah!] can then review them for indications of possible bias?
                    Whether you think it's fair or not, racism has always been America's original sin, hence the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments.

                    And while inquiry into jury deliberations is rare, it's not completely unprecedented.

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                    • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                      Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      Not sealed. They voted 5-3 to allow inquiry into racist remarks asking jurors.
                      there is one really bizarre aspect about this case that I haven't seen anyone discuss yet.

                      The two jurors who said that the third juror made "racist remarks" still voted to convict anyway, did they not?

                      Were they also "racially biased"? if not, then if they thought that "racial bias" was the only reason that the third juror voted to convict, why would they not then have voted to acquit?

                      how did the jury verdict turn out to be unanimous, instead of a hung jury??



                      sorry, but why are the other members of the jury not able to police this alleged bias among themselves? There are 12 people there, each one voting their conscience based on the evidence. to claim that one juror has "racial bias" reflects very very badly on the other 11 jurors for allowing themselves to be swayed by it. or, alternately, "racial bias" had nothing to do with the verdict since supposedly there were other, far more valid, reasons to convict anyway.



                      Kennedy's ruling is touchy-feely mush in this case, it seems.... No logic nor reason, no matter how virtuous.
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                      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                        Is it just me, or is Neil Gorsuch the quietest SCOTUS nomination in a long, long time? His confirmation hearings begin this coming Monday, and it seems like there's very little out there in the news when compared to prior nominees' vetting and media presences, at least since I've been an adult.
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                        • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                          Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                          Is it just me, or is Neil Gorsuch the quietest SCOTUS nomination in a long, long time? His confirmation hearings begin this coming Monday, and it seems like there's very little out there in the news when compared to prior nominees' vetting and media presences, at least since I've been an adult.
                          Too much other stuff to deal with. The media hasnt had time to look into him cause they have a new scandal every day with the GOP. Once the hearing starts though his skeletons (if there are any) will come to the forefront. I think the Dems are lying in wait on this one...
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                          • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                            Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                            Is it just me, or is Neil Gorsuch the quietest SCOTUS nomination in a long, long time? His confirmation hearings begin this coming Monday, and it seems like there's very little out there in the news when compared to prior nominees' vetting and media presences, at least since I've been an adult.
                            Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                            Too much other stuff to deal with. The media hasnt had time to look into him cause they have a new scandal every day with the GOP. Once the hearing starts though his skeletons (if there are any) will come to the forefront. I think the Dems are lying in wait on this one...
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                            • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                              Solve the problem, change the law.

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                              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                                Serious question:

                                If a religious ritual involves human sacrifice, is it constitutionally protected under the First Amendment?

                                If not, why not?





                                [yes, this is step one of a two-step discussion....but step two doesn't follow until we get a straightforward, serious answer to step one]
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