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  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Originally posted by FreshFish View Post
    It will be interesting to see what they determine is an "expectation of privacy" or whether that "expectation" is part of the standard or not.
    It will, though I expect the current Court to get it wrong and rule broadly in favor of LEO and against privacy.

    I would hope at minimum that if I encrypt my data that constitutes the strongest expectation of privacy recognized under the law. You can still get the data, but get a f-cking warrant.
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    • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
      It will, though I expect the current Court to get it wrong and rule broadly in favor of LEO and against privacy.

      I would hope at minimum that if I encrypt my data that constitutes the strongest expectation of privacy recognized under the law. You can still get the data, but get a f-cking warrant.
      They already ruled on the cell phone itself. They even got it right, saying the cops need a warrant absent exigent circumstances.

      This is about the meta data the cell phone companies get through their towers.

      I'd argue the defendant doesn't have standing. The data isn't his, it's the cell phone company's. They can turn it over without a warrant as they see fit (or to comply with other laws, or to choose to fight those other laws).
      Last edited by unofan; 06-05-2017, 02:15 PM.

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      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

        Originally posted by unofan View Post
        They already ruled on the cell phone itself. They even got it right, saying the cops need a warrant absent exigent circumstances.

        This is about the meta data the cell phone companies get through their towers.

        I'd argue the defendant doesn't have standing. The data isn't his, it's the cell phone company's. They can turn it over without a warrant as they see fit (or to comply with other laws, or to choose to fight those other laws).
        Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah, that stuff belongs to the companies. But as their private property the company could hold it back without a warrant, which would then probably provoke legislation that if the company wants to use the public good of the EM spectrum to transmit and receive, they also have to open the kimono.

        But what happens if a company advertises to its customers that any metadata concerning their usage belongs to the customer? Then the customer does have standing (and the provider is off the hook). Can a company "move the target" that way, or will Uncle Sam come knocking and say "you had no right to tell your customers that"?
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        • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

          Tomorrow will be the 50th anniversary of Loving. Here is the AP story.

          http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/06/ap-...cial-marriage/

          It would be interesting to read the reactions from major Southern papers.
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          • Originally posted by joecct View Post
            Tomorrow will be the 50th anniversary of Loving. Here is the AP story.

            http://wtop.com/virginia/2017/06/ap-...cial-marriage/

            It would be interesting to read the reactions from major Southern papers.
            Take the reactions from Obergefell and replace the words gay, lesbian, or same-sex with race or interracial, and you'll have read their reactions.

            And I'm not being facetious.

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            • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

              Originally posted by unofan View Post
              Take the reactions from Obergefell and replace the words gay, lesbian, or same-sex with race or interracial, and you'll have read their reactions.

              And I'm not being facetious.
              It's the same morons -- it's just their offspring.
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              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                Gorsuch breaks his maiden writing for a unanimous court. Get ready for a major uptick in debt collector calls as they can avoid many FDCPA claims simply by buying old debt for pennies on the dollar, thus making it their own (and therefore no longer collecting a debt owed to another).

                Add it to the long list of things Congress could fix, probably with bi partisan support, but still won't because reasons.
                Last edited by unofan; 06-12-2017, 09:11 AM.

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                • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                  Interesting piece suggesting Trump's legal defense team is not up to the job and is being hired much the way a hypochondriac shops for a doctor: they say what the client wants to hear.

                  Main takeaway: Trump's defense will have to be political and conducted through the GOP lapdog media like Fox. On the merits, he will be completely outgunned and in over his head, as with everything else substantive he's even brushed his drooling, sebaceous lard-face against.
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                  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                    Fascinating discussion of Gorsuch's writing style in his first opinion, and just another example of why scotusblog is so smart and interesting.
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                    • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                      Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      Gorsuch breaks his maiden writing for a unanimous court. Get ready for a major uptick in debt collector calls as they can avoid many FDCPA claims simply by buying old debt for pennies on the dollar, thus making it their own (and therefore no longer collecting a debt owed to another).

                      Add it to the long list of things Congress could fix, probably with bi partisan support, but still won't because reasons.
                      "Here newbie, write why debt collectors are cool".
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                      • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                        Burnt umber has been "sunglow" for a while. There is, however, still burnt sienna and burnt orange.
                        Burnt umber looks nothing like Sunglow.
                        I wish I am able to live long enough to do all the things I was attributed to.

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                        • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                          Originally posted by XYZ View Post
                          Burnt umber looks nothing like Sunglow.
                          How do you know your colors are the same as mine?
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                          • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                            The logical conclusion of more rulings like this is??

                            http://wtop.com/parenting/2017/06/mo...ts-of-1-child/
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                            • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                              Originally posted by joecct View Post
                              The logical conclusion of more rulings like this is??

                              http://wtop.com/parenting/2017/06/mo...ts-of-1-child/
                              More kids in happy families.

                              I mean, seriously, I don't see a parade of horribles from this. It's just a more formalized version of an open adoption, where the birth parents still see their kid.

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                              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                                aren't there enough kids that don't even have ONE parent who loves them, that we have to get all bent up for some kids that have extras who want to be in their lives.

                                geez.
                                a legend and an out of work bum look a lot alike, daddy.

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