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  • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Originally posted by Kepler View Post
    Looks like the Dems got some balls for Christmas*.



    Regrettable, but you can't negotiate with terrorists.

    * I mean Eid Al-Fitr, of course.
    Yep, Chuckie picked the wrong time to grow a pair.

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    • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

      What if Notorious RBG doesnt kick the bucket?
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      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

        Tell them we'll vote after an independent investigation into Trump and Russia is completed.
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        • Originally posted by Handyman View Post
          What if Notorious RBG doesnt kick the bucket?
          Still the wrong call. You don't go to the extreme for a judge that isn't extreme. And yes, I understand the GOP did exactly that and was rewarded for doing so, but you don't go all-in with a 2-7 off suit unless you absolutely have to. And the Dems don't have to for this Justice.

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          • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

            Originally posted by unofan View Post
            I get that the base is clamoring for this, but it's still the wrong call, IMO. This isn't the nominee that you force the nuclear option on.

            Now when Ginsburg dies and they replace her with Cletus, you can't stop it.
            I hear what you're saying, but this is payback for Garland. The GOP is stealing a seat. If they're gonna do that, it's going to be 52-48. I'm not gonna help them.

            This is a special case.
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            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
              I hear what you're saying, but this is payback for Garland. The GOP is stealing a seat. If they're gonna do that, it's going to be 52-48. I'm not gonna help them.

              This is a special case.
              They stole the seat, so now you act out of anger instead of strategically.

              They really better hope RBG and Breyer survive the next 3.5 years, or this will be penny wise and pound foolish.

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              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                Originally posted by unofan View Post
                They stole the seat, so now you act out of anger instead of strategically.

                They really better hope RBG and Breyer survive the next 3.5 years, or this will be penny wise and pound foolish.
                I agree. They better hope. Course they hoped they would win the election too and we see how that panned out.
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                • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                  Originally posted by unofan View Post
                  They stole the seat, so now you act out of anger instead of strategically.
                  Not anger, no. But what the GOP did cannot be allowed to succeed, or they'll do it again. You can't give in to terrorism.
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                  • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                    Not anger, no. But what the GOP did cannot be allowed to succeed, or they'll do it again. You can't give in to terrorism.
                    It already succeeded. You're crying over spilt milk.

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                    • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                      Originally posted by unofan View Post
                      It already succeeded. You're crying over spilt milk.
                      And you are naive if you think keeping our powder dry for RBG's successor is going to make a bit of difference. The first time the GOP needs to nuke 60 they'll do it. They're not statesmen, they're hoodlums. You are trying to hold on to Roberts Rules when the other side is burning villages.

                      I understand your argument from an ethical POV. But you're selling is as pragmatic, and it isn't. The GOP is beyond reason and beyond law if they can get away with it; there is no upside to appealing to the angels of the voters' better nature because they don't pay attention. So it comes down to how you deal with a mad dog -- you put it down, you don't reason with it.
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                      • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                        Originally posted by unofan View Post
                        It already succeeded. You're crying over spilt milk.
                        Yeah, there's nothing to fight here. They'll change the rules, and not require 60 votes. Then if another nominee comes up there's nothing to fight with. You need to save the fight for the next nominee who is likely replacing a moderate or lefty. Then you go to the mat and if they change the rules for that the American people will come around to sense of fairness because the Democrats were gracious with Gorsuch. If you do it now, America is not going to come along.
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                        • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                          And you are naive if you think keeping our powder dry for RBG's successor is going to make a bit of difference. The first time the GOP needs to nuke 60 they'll do it. They're not statesmen, they're hoodlums. You are trying to hold on to Roberts Rules when the other side is burning villages.

                          I understand your argument from an ethical POV. But you're selling is as pragmatic, and it isn't. The GOP is beyond reason and beyond law if they can get away with it; there is no upside to appealing to the angels of the voters' better nature because they don't pay attention. So it comes down to how you deal with a mad dog -- you put it down, you don't reason with it.
                          You only initiate a coup if you know you'll succeed. The GOP gambled and won on Garland. We don't have to like it, but the Dems are firing a gun with no bullets right now. If the Dems force the nuclear option now, they get absolutely nothing out of it except satisfying their base, and November should've told you that the right cares more about the court than the left does. If the American people couldn't be bothered to care about the GOP's obstruction of Garland 9 months later, what in God's earth makes you think they'll punish the GOP for eliminating the parliamentary procedure known as the filibuster 18 months after the fact?

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                            Originally posted by unofan View Post
                            You only initiate a coup if you know you'll succeed. The GOP gambled and won on Garland. We don't have to like it, but the Dems are firing a gun with no bullets right now. If the Dems force the nuclear option now, they get absolutely nothing out of it except satisfying their base, and November should've told you that the right cares more about the court than the left does. If the American people couldn't be bothered to care about the GOP's obstruction of Garland 9 months later, what in God's earth makes you think they'll punish the GOP for eliminating the parliamentary procedure known as the filibuster 18 months after the fact?
                            That cuts both ways. You say save the opposition for when the Dems have already demonstrated restraint, but the GOP played the Heel all summer and won. What makes you think hollering "Fred Blassie has brass knuckles hidden in those flowers from his mother!" is going to matter to the country in 2019?
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                            • Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                              That cuts both ways. You say save the opposition for when the Dems have already demonstrated restraint, but the GOP played the Heel all summer and won. What makes you think hollering "Fred Blassie has brass knuckles hidden in those flowers from his mother!" is going to matter to the country in 2019?
                              It might not matter then; it would likely depend on if Breyer or Ginsburg die and the fight actually occurs. But it definitely won't matter now. And a possibility of an effective use later is better than a completely wasted effort now.

                              If you only have one bullet, you don't shoot it at the bear on the other side of the river. You save it in case you run into one that could actually get you. If you wind up not firing it, oh well. It means the worse scenario never happened.
                              Last edited by unofan; 03-23-2017, 03:51 PM.

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                              • Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

                                Originally posted by unofan View Post
                                It might not matter then; it would likely depend on if Breyer or Ginsburg die and the fight actually occurs. But it definitely won't matter now. And a possibility of an effective use later is better than a completely wasted effort now.
                                I could be wrong but I personally think it would be more effective later. If they govern and let the GOP have their win they might have a lot more pull then if they do it now.
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