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    If POTUD goes off the statutes, he needs to be corrected/stopped. If you disagree on moral grounds, sorry. Tried that for 45 years - doesn't work.
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    BTW, the GOP doesn't want to overturn Roe. It's been one of their best fundraising tools for 40 years. They want abortions to keep happening so they can keep fulminating against them so their dupes will keep paying them in coin and votes.

    The day science renders abortions OBE will be a very sad day at the RNC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    Both Roberts and Scalia were consummate politicians, so I hope Gorsuch has some of those instincts but will use them for good as so far Roberts has and Scalia never did. Gorsuch appears to be principled, which is good as far as it goes (Stanley Fish wrote an excellent book about how limited principle is). I look forward to him disappointing conservatives when they go nuts and not being a rubber stamp like Thomas and Alito.
    Agree with this. A lot of people are getting themselves worked up when it is completely unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    Agree with this. A lot of people are getting themselves worked up when it is completely unnecessary.
    I don't think anybody is getting worked up about Gorsuch. We're getting worked up about Cinnamon Hitler's combination of idiocy and entitlement, and the GOP's cynicism and cowardice in shirking their duty to bring him to heel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    BTW, the GOP doesn't want to overturn Roe. It's been one of their best fundraising tools for 40 years. They want abortions to keep happening so they can keep fulminating against them so their dupes will keep paying them in coin and votes.

    The day science renders abortions OBE will be a very sad day at the RNC.
    They can replace abortion with Muslims and get the same fundraising. They practically already have.
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    They can replace abortion with Muslims and get the same fundraising. They practically already have.
    yup. I think they are going to try to deliver on the abortion promise and roll back rights for gays too. Pence is a true believer in Christian Sharia Law. Now they have the Muslims!! as the bogeyman instead of the baby killers!!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    yup. I think they are going to try to deliver on the abortion promise and roll back rights for gays. Pence is a true believer in Christian Sharia Law.
    And they can fund raise till the cows come home on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
    Gee, I wonder why that could be?
    If I had to guess, it's because it gets harder to overturn your own precedent than it is someone else's. As a junior justice, you generally only get to write boring opinions that the senior judges pass on. And you have no personal precedent, so you're free to go wherever you wish.

    But after 5-10 years, it gets tougher to act as a firebrand because then you'd have to overrule yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    It's obviously your right to fear the worst, but I don't think it will happen. Even if it did come to pass you're still not in that bad of shape. I don't think Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer, Ginaburg, Roberts will let anything very extreme get through. I wouldn't be surprised if Gorsuch is more along the lines of Roberts than Scalia.
    Roberts sided with Texas last year in that abortion case. You have more faith in him than is warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    If I had to guess, it's because it gets harder to overturn your own precedent than it is someone else's. As a junior justice, you generally only get to write boring opinions that the senior judges pass on. And you have no personal precedent, so you're free to go wherever you wish.

    But after 5-10 years, it gets tougher to act as a firebrand because then you'd have to overrule yourself.
    Huh. Interesting. Makes sense.

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    Rural cousin of Coastal Ubermensch?
    No, it's Coastal Sensitive Man Who Discovers He's Strong In A Crisis Yet Still Doesn't Lose His Spiritual Generosity.

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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    Agree with this. A lot of people are getting themselves worked up when it is completely unnecessary.
    Remember the backdrop. If this were a constitutional appointment, this would be a dem nomination.
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    What would be the impact if we changed "critical" appointments to the following:
    --require 60 votes
    --require a committee hearing within 30 days
    --require full floor vote within 90 days
    --remove the filibuster

    Is something like this workable? Any other requirements?

    Complete pipe dream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Roberts sided with Texas last year in that abortion case. You have more faith in him than is warranted.
    If you put personal feelings aside and look at it strictly based on the legality, he was on the right side. I understand why the court ruled how they did though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    What would be the impact if we changed "critical" appointments to the following:
    --require 60 votes
    --require a committee hearing within 30 days
    --require full floor vote within 90 days
    --remove the filibuster

    Is something like this workable? Any other requirements?

    Complete pipe dream?
    The day when something like this would have passed you wouldn't have needed them to begin with.

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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    you guys,

    with the way things are going this could be the last year of Trump's presidency.


    Precedent says we should leave it up to the next president to fill this vacancy.

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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    What would be the impact if we changed "critical" appointments to the following:
    --require 60 votes
    --require a committee hearing within 30 days
    --require full floor vote within 90 days
    --remove the filibuster

    Is something like this workable? Any other requirements?

    Complete pipe dream?
    I don't think we should require a supermajority for appointments.

    The current problem with the government is gridlock. It operates in two different ways. Most obviously, nothing gets done. But just as importantly, candidates and sitting Members can propose stupid red meat stuff they know will never get past cloture. There is no penalty for doing this because the other party will rescue them by forcing amendments as a condition to reach cloture. Then the majority can run around telling its constituents it would have made guns mandatory in preschool and legalized the stoning of gays but the evil Democrats stopped them.

    If the majority had the power to enact on a simple majority it would also have nowhere to hide. Most of the stupidity we see emanating from the GOP is them playing their slaves, er, voters. A 50+ rule would ensure they could no longer do that.

    And given that we are a democratic republic, if the people want to live in a neofeudal conservative hellhole where rights are prorated by wealth (I mean, even more of one than they've already foisted on us), then their votes should matter. We can always, I dunno, get our butts to the polls to beat them. There are more of us. And, once we have 50+, our own legislators would then be bound to follow us or suffer.
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    As long as one party is willing to burn the ****ing house down there's not a single thing anyone can do. Especially when people keep voting for that party over and over and over again.
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