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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Does that include ... partial birth ...
    Birthing, like pregnancy, is a yes or no proposition. Either you're born, or not. There's no partial pregnancy and there's no partial birth.

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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Don't bring Roe v. Wade into this ... < you'll just have to imagine my simpering smirk here >
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Um, ... OK. But ...

    Where does the term "partial-birth" abortion come from?

    The term was first coined by the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) in 1995 to describe a recently introduced medical procedure to remove fetuses from the womb. Alternately known as "dilation and extraction," or D&X, and "intact D&E," it involves removing the fetus intact by dilating a pregnant woman's cervix, then pulling the entire body out through the birth canal.
    http://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/516816...fact-from-spin

    Intact, through the birth canal.
    Um ... if it has a pulse, isn't it a citizen at that point, by your lawyering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Um, ... OK. But ...



    http://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/516816...fact-from-spin

    Intact, through the birth canal.
    Um ... if it has a pulse, isn't it a citizen at that point, by your lawyering?
    They aren't issued a birth certificate, so no, they're not.

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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Um, ... OK. But ...



    http://www.npr.org/2006/02/21/516816...fact-from-spin

    Intact, through the birth canal.
    Um ... if it has a pulse, isn't it a citizen at that point, by your lawyering?
    No because it has had his/her spinal cord snipped then the corpse is dragged out of the mother. If the doc did the snipping after the baby had been completely ejected from the mother, it would be murder. But because part of the baby remains inside the mother, there is a gray area in the law that permits this abomination.
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

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    They aren't issued a birth certificate, so no, they're not.
    Uh, but you said ...

    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    Since citizenship is granted at birth, you're not a citizen until then. (Boom, lawyered).
    Birth is not a birth certificate. One is biologic; one is administrative. So, my fair esquire, which is it, birth, or paperwork? Does that mass have no citizen rights until an MD scribbles on paper? And remember, sometimes it takes days (weeks) to get that birth certificate. What of that mass in the intervening time? Disposable?
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    I know there's a separate thread for this part of the discussion.
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    No because it has had his/her spinal cord snipped then the corpse is dragged out of the mother. If the doc did the snipping after the baby had been completely ejected from the mother, it would be murder. But because part of the baby remains inside the mother, there is a gray area in the law that permits this abomination.
    If only you showed the same outrage for people that arent babies that died...
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

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    I know there's a separate thread for this part of the discussion.
    And here it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Uh, but you said ...



    Birth is not a birth certificate. One is biologic; one is administrative. So, my fair esquire, which is it, birth, or paperwork? Does that mass have no citizen rights until an MD scribbles on paper? And remember, sometimes it takes days (weeks) to get that birth certificate. What of that mass in the intervening time? Disposable?
    If a child dies one minute after birth, they will still be issued a birth (and death) certificate. Since aborted babies are never born, they are never issued a birth certificate. The lack of a birth certificate is proof they weren't born, a necessary requirement for getting birthright citizenship.

    Again, it's a binary function, just like the mother's pregnancy.

    Put another way, my daughter's head crowned about ten minutes before she popped all the way out. The time on her birth certificate isn't when she entered the birth canal, but when she popped all the way out.
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sicatoka View Post
    Don't bring Roe v. Wade into this ...
    I thought that, for all practical purposes, SCOTUS had tacitly "rescinded" [in effect, not literally] the reasoning from Roe v Wade and pretty much re-wrote the whole subject matter in Casey v Planned Parenthood ??
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    Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day

    Quote Originally Posted by FreshFish View Post
    I thought that, for all practical purposes, SCOTUS had tacitly "rescinded" [in effect, not literally] the reasoning from Roe v Wade and pretty much re-wrote the whole subject matter in Casey v Planned Parenthood ??
    Yes. Casey is the real precedent now. It is now the CW among everyone, left, right or center, that Roe, although vital for articulating the Griswold right of privacy that underlies all other rights, was on its other points wrongly argued.

    Casey's more important effect however has been nefarious. It gives the Thumpers the ability to continually challenge and erode reproductive rights as long as these "exceptions" meet state compelling interest. On the face of it that makes sense since no right is absolute (except apparently the 2nd...) but in practice the Usual Suspect states have introduced all sorts of bizarre and disgusting restraints on women and the conservative majority Court has meekly upheld them. It's as if after Brown v Board the Court amended the decision, and afterwards Mississippi and Alabama passed laws saying state-mandated segregation was permissible in hospitals... and restaurants... and, eventually, schools.

    As always, unofan will tell me if I'm lying, since I'm arguing from memories of Con Law.
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