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  • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

    Originally posted by amkirby10 View Post
    Don't you think you're overreacting just a bit? It isn't as though we saw Maine get pasted every night, they lost seven games by a single goal, and another five by two goals. Defense was definitely a problem, but they scored enough to keep it competitive, most of the time. And didn't have any good bodies of work? What about beating #3 Quinnipiac, then almost beating them again the next night? Or how about beating #5 Lowell by a score of 5-2? Or even Saturday night, what about consistently battling back and finding a way to win when they didn't have the lead until the middle of the 3rd period and were down right out of the gate? The results were far from consistent, and they underachieved this season, but this team has more talent and a lot more heart than you are giving it credit for.
    Well said. Welcome to the forum.
    UMaine Black Bears Recruit Info Site GO BLUE!!

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    • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

      Originally posted by BoSox3066 View Post
      Interesting that Maine still ranked 16th in the country and 5th in the conference in attendance. Wonder if the dept sees that as a positive or a negative, and how long before it falls further.
      I didn't look but it seemed more people were at the games this year vs last, but the claimed attendance numbers don't really reflect how many were there any way. It also seemed the student attendance has gotten higher, ie more unsold tickets with good student interest. Which is good for the atmosphere but not the checkbook.
      It was an improvement this year not holding the home games when the students are at break providing a better game atmosphere, which also helps bring people in. I know, having a winning record would bring in more people.
      It would good to know more about how the revenue is trending vs attendance.

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      • Originally posted by NorthMike View Post
        I didn't look but it seemed more people were at the games this year vs last, but the claimed attendance numbers don't really reflect how many were there any way. It also seemed the student attendance has gotten higher, ie more unsold tickets with good student interest. Which is good for the atmosphere but not the checkbook.
        It was an improvement this year not holding the home games when the students are at break providing a better game atmosphere, which also helps bring people in. I know, having a winning record would bring in more people.
        It would good to know more about how the revenue is trending vs attendance.
        Agreed. Tickets are still a bit too expensive. They would do well to discount season tickets a little more and hold single game tickets flat next year. I would guess revenue was flat compared to prior years.
        Originally posted by BobbyBrady
        Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year

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        • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

          Originally posted by chickod View Post
          Let me repeat what I said before: So, first of all, I prefaced my remarks by saying that it's NOT PERSONAL and that I was just using Maine as an example based on this year's results.

          My example was generic. "11th place team in League X making conference tournament." It was not directed at Maine. It was just an example. I wasn't saying or implying that "your team stinks." That wasn't my point. I guess I should have referenced a different league so it wouldn't seem so close to home.

          And, in general, it doesn't matter if you lost 20 games by one goal. You have to have a measuring stick, and the way it's done in hockey is with goals scored. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. My point was only regarding the ridiculousness of essentially playing a "mini-season" at the end of the year, since essentially every team participates in the conference tournaments. That's all.
          Totally agree. Well said.

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          • Originally posted by chickod View Post
            Let me repeat what I said before: So, first of all, I prefaced my remarks by saying that it's NOT PERSONAL and that I was just using Maine as an example based on this year's results.

            My example was generic. "11th place team in League X making conference tournament." It was not directed at Maine. It was just an example. I wasn't saying or implying that "your team stinks." That wasn't my point. I guess I should have referenced a different league so it wouldn't seem so close to home.

            And, in general, it doesn't matter if you lost 20 games by one goal. You have to have a measuring stick, and the way it's done in hockey is with goals scored. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. My point was only regarding the ridiculousness of essentially playing a "mini-season" at the end of the year, since essentially every team participates in the conference tournaments. That's all.
            I understand what you mean, my response was directed more at the other guy who was making it sound like Maine played like Niagara this season. Frankly I mostly agree with you, I don't think every team should make the tournament either, even if that means this year Maine would be one of the ones cut off. But what we think about the format isn't the point, NCAA and HEA decide the rules, and if they want to give teams like Maine a chance to go on a run, then that's their initiative, no matter the motive, and we should just sit back and enjoy the minimum of two Maine games we have left until October.

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            • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

              Comparing macro-statistics from this year's team and last year's team.

              Scoring Offense
              2015-16=2.00(55); 2016-17=2.97(27)
              Scoring Defense
              2015-16=3.39(50); 2016-17=3.38(51)
              Scoring Margin
              2015-16=-1.39(54); 2016-17=-0.41(42)

              Penalty Minutes(PIM/G)
              2015-16=13.5(9); 2016-17=14.4(18)
              Power Play
              2015-16=14.1%(46); 2016-17=18.8%(26)
              Penalty Kill
              2015-16=78.5%(52); 2016-17=79.6%(45)
              Combined Special Teams
              2015-16=49.3(32); 2016-17=51.4 (22)

              Goals Against Ave
              McGovern: 2015-16=2.78(47); 2016-17=2.94(48)
              Morris: 2015-16=3.54; 2016-17=4.12
              Save %
              McGovern: 2015-16=0.905(53); 2016-17=0.914(24)
              Morris: 2015-16=0.901; 2016-17=0.889
              UMaine Black Bears Recruit Info Site GO BLUE!!

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              • Originally posted by Bhall44 View Post
                Comparing macro-statistics from this year's team and last year's team.

                Scoring Offense
                2015-16=2.00(55); 2016-17=2.97(27)
                Scoring Defense
                2015-16=3.39(50); 2016-17=3.38(51)
                Scoring Margin
                2015-16=-1.39(54); 2016-17=-0.41(42)

                Penalty Minutes(PIM/G)
                2015-16=13.5(9); 2016-17=14.4(18)
                Power Play
                2015-16=14.1%(46); 2016-17=18.8%(26)
                Penalty Kill
                2015-16=78.5%(52); 2016-17=79.6%(45)
                Combined Special Teams
                2015-16=49.3(32); 2016-17=51.4 (22)

                Goals Against Ave
                McGovern: 2015-16=2.78(47); 2016-17=2.94(48)
                Morris: 2015-16=3.54; 2016-17=4.12
                Save %
                McGovern: 2015-16=0.905(53); 2016-17=0.914(24)
                Morris: 2015-16=0.901; 2016-17=0.889
                Strength of schedule rank by KRACH: 2016 34, 2017 37.

                Not as big a drop as I expected

                Maine Hockey: I want to believe
                43-21-4 (.662) in games I attended over 4 years as a student
                104-47-14 (.669) in that time
                3x FROZEN FOUR

                11-20-2 in games I've attended since. (2-2-1 under Red)

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                • Originally posted by BoSox3066 View Post
                  Strength of schedule rank by KRACH: 2016 34, 2017 37.

                  Not as big a drop as I expected
                  Maine had a weird schedule travel wise but most of the teams they played weren't very good.
                  Originally posted by BobbyBrady
                  Crosby probably wouldn't even be on BC's top two lines next year

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                  • Originally posted by Bhall44 View Post
                    Comparing macro-statistics from this year's team and last year's team.

                    Scoring Offense
                    2015-16=2.00(55); 2016-17=2.97(27)
                    Scoring Defense
                    2015-16=3.39(50); 2016-17=3.38(51)
                    Scoring Margin
                    2015-16=-1.39(54); 2016-17=-0.41(42)

                    Penalty Minutes(PIM/G)
                    2015-16=13.5(9); 2016-17=14.4(18)
                    Power Play
                    2015-16=14.1%(46); 2016-17=18.8%(26)
                    Penalty Kill
                    2015-16=78.5%(52); 2016-17=79.6%(45)
                    Combined Special Teams
                    2015-16=49.3(32); 2016-17=51.4 (22)

                    Goals Against Ave
                    McGovern: 2015-16=2.78(47); 2016-17=2.94(48)
                    Morris: 2015-16=3.54; 2016-17=4.12
                    Save %
                    McGovern: 2015-16=0.905(53); 2016-17=0.914(24)
                    Morris: 2015-16=0.901; 2016-17=0.889
                    Signs of improvement are within this as well as areas of improvement, ie goal tending and defense.

                    In one of the forum threads last year someone laid out the stats that showed the % chance of winning games is much higher when a team scores on average 3 (if i recall properly) or more goals.
                    Last edited by NorthMike; 02-28-2017, 10:05 AM.

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                    • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                      Team record last 4 years.

                      2013-2014 Overall = 16-15-4 (.514); Conference = 9-8-3 (.525); Goals/Game = 2.91; Opponents = 2.97
                      2014-2015 Overall = 14-22-3 ( .397); Conference = 8-12-2 (.409); Goals/Game = 2.77; Opponents = 3.26
                      2015-2016 Overall = 8-24-6 ( .289); Conference = 5-15-2 (.273); Goals/Game = 2.00; Opponents = 3.39
                      2016-2017 Overall = 11-19-4 (.382 ) Conference = 5-15-2 (.273); Goals/Game = 2.97; Opponents = 3.38

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                      • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                        Originally posted by NorthMike View Post
                        In one of the forum threads last year someone laid out the stats that showed the % chance of winning games is much higher when a team scores on average 3 (if i recall properly) or more goals.
                        And that number will probably continue to rise, the theme of the recruiting class seems largely to be offensive firepower.

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                        • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                          Originally posted by amkirby10 View Post
                          Don't you think you're overreacting just a bit? It isn't as though we saw Maine get pasted every night, they lost seven games by a single goal, and another five by two goals. Defense was definitely a problem, but they scored enough to keep it competitive, most of the time. And didn't have any good bodies of work? What about beating #3 Quinnipiac, then almost beating them again the next night? Or how about beating #5 Lowell by a score of 5-2? Or even Saturday night, what about consistently battling back and finding a way to win when they didn't have the lead until the middle of the 3rd period and were down right out of the gate? The results were far from consistent, and they underachieved this season, but this team has more talent and a lot more heart than you are giving it credit for.
                          I didn't say Maine didn't play some good games, but you are what your record says you are. At 11-19-4 (5-15-2), it'a very hard to make a logical case that they deserve a berth in the post-season. And it's equally illogical that a 24 game conference schedule exists for the sole purpose of seeding the HEA tournament, IMO.

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                          • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                            Originally posted by NorthMike View Post
                            ........In one of the forum threads last year someone laid out the stats that showed the % chance of winning games is much higher when a team scores on average 3 (if i recall properly) or more goals.
                            Apparently, Maine's game average of 2.97 goals wasn't good enough to increase their chances of winning. I guess they needed the 3.0

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                            • Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                              Apparently, Maine's game average of 2.97 goals wasn't good enough to increase their chances of winning. I guess they needed the 3.0
                              Thus the close games?

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                              • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                                Originally posted by amkirby10 View Post
                                But what we think about the format isn't the point, NCAA and HEA decide the rules, and if they want to give teams like Maine a chance to go on a run, then that's their initiative, no matter the motive, and we should just sit back and enjoy the minimum of two Maine games we have left until October.
                                Yes...point well taken.

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