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  • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

    Originally posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    So what is the SCOOP on Hockey East schedule for next season with 11 teams..? I had heard/read that they wanted to play 4 games versus some teams and 2 games versus the rest with it being a unbalance schedule to be switched each year until there is a Team #12, which Hockey East said they would not hurry into. So is it a 24 HEA schedule with 10 out of Conference games..? OC to date..? AWAY: RPI, Quinnipiac - Home: UMD, Miami/Ohio..? I know that I have seen it here over and over but is there a real schedule in play..?
    Two against six teams (home and home), three against four teams (two teams two games home one away, two teams two games away one game home).
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    • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

      Originally posted by UncleRay View Post
      Two against six teams (home and home), three against four teams (two teams two games home one away, two teams two games away one game home).
      Any idea how the league will decide which teams you play two against and which you play three times? Will they take rivalries or records into account, or will it be at random?
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      • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

        Originally posted by Felger View Post
        Any idea how the league will decide which teams you play two against and which you play three times? Will they take rivalries or records into account, or will it be at random?
        Could use this year's standings? Bottom 5 teams play each other 3 times and play the top 6 teams twice? For example, Maine would play BU,BC, UML, Providence,Vermont and Merrimack twice (12 games). Three games against NU, Connecticut, UNH (maintain rivalry) and UMass (12 games). This may keep the league competitive in terms of points?

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        • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

          Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
          Could use this year's standings? Bottom 5 teams play each other 3 times and play the top 6 teams twice? For example, Maine would play BU,BC, UML, Providence,Vermont and Merrimack twice (12 games). Three games against NU, Connecticut, UNH (maintain rivalry) and UMass (12 games). This may keep the league competitive in terms of points?
          Works for me, probably for you guys as well
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          • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

            I'll even give you 1 game at Durham, 1 game at Manchester and the other at Alfond. Whoops. I don't think you are a UNH fan.
            Last edited by Runsub5; 03-14-2017, 01:44 PM. Reason: Added correction.

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            • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

              Originally posted by uncleray View Post
              two against six teams (home and home), three against four teams (two teams two games home one away, two teams two games away one game home).
              thanks.

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              • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                Could use this year's standings? Bottom 5 teams play each other 3 times and play the top 6 teams twice? For example, Maine would play BU,BC, UML, Providence,Vermont and Merrimack twice (12 games). Three games against NU, Connecticut, UNH (maintain rivalry) and UMass (12 games). This may keep the league competitive in terms of points?
                Except then then the top six are playing each other 3 times (5x3=15) and the bottom 5 twice (5x2=10) which adds up to 25. So that don't work.

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                • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                  Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                  Except then then the top six are playing each other 3 times (5x3=15) and the bottom 5 twice (5x2=10) which adds up to 25. So that don't work.
                  Good point. That schedule won't work for the top six teams.

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                  • Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                    Good point. That schedule won't work for the top six teams.
                    I think hockey east should try to set it up so rivalries play each other more. Teams are going to move up and down each year and basing it on previous year's table doesn't ensure everyone has the same schedule difficulty. I think when teams play each other plays a big part too. I'm just happy there will be more league games.
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                    • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                      No Hockey East all rookie team nods. Awesome sauce.

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                      • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                        Originally posted by Drew S. View Post
                        I think hockey east should try to set it up so rivalries play each other more. Teams are going to move up and down each year and basing it on previous year's table doesn't ensure everyone has the same schedule difficulty. I think when teams play each other plays a big part too. I'm just happy there will be more league games.
                        Yes, but playing your rivals more has at least two issues: 1) who decides what rivalries are selected and 2) possibly having some teams play much harder or much easier schedules than other teams.

                        Who would you have Maine play 3 times every season?

                        Based on 2016-17 league games
                        UML, BU, BC, PC, UVM, MC, NU, CT, UNH, ME, MA
                        Based on 2016-17 all games
                        UML, BU, PC, UVM, BC, NU, MC, CT, UNH, ME, MA

                        The top 2 and bottom 4 remain the same, but BC drops from 3 to 5 while PC and UVM both move up one spot each and MC and NU flip places.

                        Based on the last 5 seasons league games
                        BC, PC, UML, BU, UNH, NU, UVM, CT, MC, ME, MA
                        Base on the last 5 seasons all games
                        UML, BC, PC, BU, NU, UVM, UNH, MC, CT (3 yrs), ME, MA

                        Again, a fair amount of shifting, but the top 4 remain the same in 3 of the 4 cases, and 3 of the bottom 4 remain the same in all 4 cases.

                        I would try for a somewhat balanced schedule by ranking the teams using their 5 season overall winning percentage and then I would schedule 2 teams in the 5 top and 2 teams in the bottom 5 (excluding the team in question). For example, Maine is in 10th place my ranking above: They would play 3 games against 2 of UML, BC, PC, BU and NU and 3 games against 2 of UVM, UNH, MC, CT and MA. So, for example Maine could be scheduled to play 3 games against BC, BU, UNH and UVM.

                        I created a possible 2016-17 schedule for Hockey East using my ranking which I put into a spreadsheet. Vermont was the 6th place team in my ranking so they are in the top 5 teams' top 5 and the bottom 5 teams' bottom 5.

                        Regarding more league games, I'm still working on league vs non-league attendance, but I now have 3 seasons (2014-17) averages and league games in general do have higher attendance.

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                        • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                          Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                          Yes, but playing your rivals more has at least two issues: 1) who decides what rivalries are selected and 2) possibly having some teams play much harder or much easier schedules than other teams.

                          Who would you have Maine play 3 times every season?

                          Based on 2016-17 league games
                          UML, BU, BC, PC, UVM, MC, NU, CT, UNH, ME, MA
                          Based on 2016-17 all games
                          UML, BU, PC, UVM, BC, NU, MC, CT, UNH, ME, MA

                          The top 2 and bottom 4 remain the same, but BC drops from 3 to 5 while PC and UVM both move up one spot each and MC and NU flip places.

                          Based on the last 5 seasons league games
                          BC, PC, UML, BU, UNH, NU, UVM, CT, MC, ME, MA
                          Base on the last 5 seasons all games
                          UML, BC, PC, BU, NU, UVM, UNH, MC, CT (3 yrs), ME, MA

                          Again, a fair amount of shifting, but the top 4 remain the same in 3 of the 4 cases, and 3 of the bottom 4 remain the same in all 4 cases.

                          I would try for a somewhat balanced schedule by ranking the teams using their 5 season overall winning percentage and then I would schedule 2 teams in the 5 top and 2 teams in the bottom 5 (excluding the team in question). For example, Maine is in 10th place my ranking above: They would play 3 games against 2 of UML, BC, PC, BU and NU and 3 games against 2 of UVM, UNH, MC, CT and MA. So, for example Maine could be scheduled to play 3 games against BC, BU, UNH and UVM.

                          I created a possible 2016-17 schedule for Hockey East using my ranking which I put into a spreadsheet. Vermont was the 6th place team in my ranking so they are in the top 5 teams' top 5 and the bottom 5 teams' bottom 5.

                          Regarding more league games, I'm still working on league vs non-league attendance, but I now have 3 seasons (2014-17) averages and league games in general do have higher attendance.

                          Sean
                          Hi Sean,

                          Over on reddit a discussion about how to pull this off (in this case setting up 2 rivalries for each team). Link if you are interested. (note I am not OP obviously)
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                          • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                            Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                            Yes, but playing your rivals more has at least two issues: 1) who decides what rivalries are selected and 2) possibly having some teams play much harder or much easier schedules than other teams.

                            Who would you have Maine play 3 times every season?

                            Based on 2016-17 league games
                            UML, BU, BC, PC, UVM, MC, NU, CT, UNH, ME, MA
                            Based on 2016-17 all games
                            UML, BU, PC, UVM, BC, NU, MC, CT, UNH, ME, MA

                            The top 2 and bottom 4 remain the same, but BC drops from 3 to 5 while PC and UVM both move up one spot each and MC and NU flip places.

                            Based on the last 5 seasons league games
                            BC, PC, UML, BU, UNH, NU, UVM, CT, MC, ME, MA
                            Base on the last 5 seasons all games
                            UML, BC, PC, BU, NU, UVM, UNH, MC, CT (3 yrs), ME, MA

                            Again, a fair amount of shifting, but the top 4 remain the same in 3 of the 4 cases, and 3 of the bottom 4 remain the same in all 4 cases.

                            I would try for a somewhat balanced schedule by ranking the teams using their 5 season overall winning percentage and then I would schedule 2 teams in the 5 top and 2 teams in the bottom 5 (excluding the team in question). For example, Maine is in 10th place my ranking above: They would play 3 games against 2 of UML, BC, PC, BU and NU and 3 games against 2 of UVM, UNH, MC, CT and MA. So, for example Maine could be scheduled to play 3 games against BC, BU, UNH and UVM.

                            I created a possible 2016-17 schedule for Hockey East using my ranking which I put into a spreadsheet. Vermont was the 6th place team in my ranking so they are in the top 5 teams' top 5 and the bottom 5 teams' bottom 5.

                            Regarding more league games, I'm still working on league vs non-league attendance, but I now have 3 seasons (2014-17) averages and league games in general do have higher attendance.

                            Sean
                            Outstanding. I like it. It maintains rivalries and balances the competition based on past performance.

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                            • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                              Originally posted by UML Puck Hawk View Post
                              Hi Sean,

                              Over on reddit a discussion about how to pull this off (in this case setting up 2 rivalries for each team). Link if you are interested. (note I am not OP obviously)
                              Thanks for the link, I posted my thoughts in a condensed version with a link to my schedule chart. As the thread was a month old I don;t know if it will anyone will actually read it.

                              Originally posted by Runsub5 View Post
                              Outstanding. I like it. It maintains rivalries and balances the competition based on past performance.
                              Thanks, it was a first effort. I tried to pick a rivalry for each team before going back to a second, third and fourth round. Some teams ended up with 4 longstanding rivalries, some with 3 and I hope the rest with at least 2, even if some of them are relatively new.

                              Sean
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                              • Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

                                Originally posted by Sean Pickett View Post
                                Thanks for the link, I posted my thoughts in a condensed version with a link to my schedule chart. As the thread was a month old I don;t know if it will anyone will actually read it.

                                Thanks, it was a first effort. I tried to pick a rivalry for each team before going back to a second, third and fourth round. Some teams ended up with 4 longstanding rivalries, some with 3 and I hope the rest with at least 2, even if some of them are relatively new.

                                Sean
                                Send it to Bertagna. It will save he and his staff a lot of work. I would guess that the coaches may have some input in to the schedule and getting them all to agree will be difficult.

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