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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox3066 View Post
    No it was time for him to go. But if we continue to suck and he goes somewhere and wins, we are definitely going to LOOK like azzholes. Lol.
    How did he look at lowell?

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    How did he look at lowell?
    Coach Whitehead had a 61-73-9 (0.458) record in his 4 seasons at UML. However, at that time Lowell was was not committed to winning like Maine was. Coach Crowder was 114-96-21 (0.539) in the 5 seasons before and Coach MacDonald was 148-179-46 (0.458) in the 10 seasons after (he was 67-66-23 (0.503) his first 4 seasons and 81-86-25 (0.487) in his first 5 seasons). It was only when UML hired Coach Bazin that they also truly invested in the hockey program as UML's NCAA financials show. Maine has been investing a lot in hockey, especially in recruiting in 2014-15 & 15-16, but overall UML has spent more since Coach Bazin was hired.

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    Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    Coach Whitehead had a 61-73-9 (0.458) record in his 4 seasons at UML. However, at that time Lowell was was not committed to winning like Maine was. Coach Crowder was 114-96-21 (0.539) in the 5 seasons before and Coach MacDonald was 148-179-46 (0.458) in the 10 seasons after (he was 67-66-23 (0.503) his first 4 seasons and 81-86-25 (0.487) in his first 5 seasons). It was only when UML hired Coach Bazin that they also truly invested in the hockey program as UML's NCAA financials show. Maine has been investing a lot in hockey, especially in recruiting in 2014-15 & 15-16, but overall UML has spent more since Coach Bazin was hired.

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    UML is a totally different Program since the hiring of Bazin and there due diligence into the Program and Fans/etc. -- Hockey is important NOW @ UML.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    UML is a totally different Program since the hiring of Bazin and there due diligence into the Program and Fans/etc. -- Hockey is important NOW @ UML.
    I'm not sold on their fanbase. As I mentioned earlier Maine's average ticket price for 2016 was $11.57. According to UML information total ticket sale revenue for 2016 was just under $700,000, or an average ticket price of $6.55 based on total reported attendance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    Coach Whitehead had a 61-73-9 (0.458) record in his 4 seasons at UML. However, at that time Lowell was was not committed to winning like Maine was. Coach Crowder was 114-96-21 (0.539) in the 5 seasons before and Coach MacDonald was 148-179-46 (0.458) in the 10 seasons after (he was 67-66-23 (0.503) his first 4 seasons and 81-86-25 (0.487) in his first 5 seasons). It was only when UML hired Coach Bazin that they also truly invested in the hockey program as UML's NCAA financials show. Maine has been investing a lot in hockey, especially in recruiting in 2014-15 & 15-16, but overall UML has spent more since Coach Bazin was hired.

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    What is included in your "spending" for recruiting? Are you comparing the cost of travel to recruit or the offered packages that ncaa changed a few years back.

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    Bottom-line is this: Maine is in a death-spiral under Red. That much is clear. (They are already there, actually, and have been for a while now.)

    No telling for sure if Tim would have kept them relevant, but I seriously doubt that he would've done worse than Red.

    Whatever currency Maine used to have is already spent. Our Bears are kinda like Clarkson... A nice past past and no future in sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Bottom-line is this: Maine is in a death-spiral under Red. That much is clear. (They are already there, actually, and have been for a while now.)

    No telling for sure if Tim would have kept them relevant, but I seriously doubt that he would've done worse than Red.

    Whatever currency Maine used to have is already spent. Our Bears are kinda like Clarkson... A nice past past and no future in sight.
    Its what it use to be...and now it isn't no more.

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    Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    Bottom-line is this: Maine is in a death-spiral under Red. That much is clear. (They are already there, actually, and have been for a while now.)

    No telling for sure if Tim would have kept them relevant, but I seriously doubt that he would've done worse than Red.

    Whatever currency Maine used to have is already spent. Our Bears are kinda like Clarkson... A nice past past and no future in sight.
    How would Tim get maine out of the death spiral when he started it.? I don't believe anyone thinks Red is doing better, the W L record clearly shows otherwise. Unless they can find a coach to breathe new life into the program, Maine hockey is a bottom feeder. It was fun while it lasted

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthMike View Post
    What is included in your "spending" for recruiting? Are you comparing the cost of travel to recruit or the offered packages that ncaa changed a few years back.
    It's not my spending, it's the schools' spending as reported to the NCAA. As for what can be spent on recruiting the NCAA report's instructions say: "Input transportation, lodging and meals for prospective student*-athletes and institutional personnel on official and unofficial visits, telephone call charges, postage and such. Include value of use of institution's own vehicles or airplanes as well as in-kind value of loaned or contributed transportation."

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    No regional in Portland. Did Portland and Maine bid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt View Post
    No regional in Portland. Did Portland and Maine bid?
    They said they did. I'm not very disappointed. The only thing I care about is the success of the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrus View Post
    How would Tim get maine out of the death spiral when he started it.? I don't believe anyone thinks Red is doing better, the W L record clearly shows otherwise. Unless they can find a coach to breathe new life into the program, Maine hockey is a bottom feeder. It was fun while it lasted

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    Maybe Maine can take a look at what Northern Michigan did yesterday and hired GRANT POTULNY, a young assistant @ Minnesota...he has experience in the College Hockey playing ranks (Minnesota)...played some AHL hockey, worked as a Assistant Coach in the World Juniors, both times the USA won the Gold Medal...and is still a young man @ 37....a man with NO TIES to NMU, but a young and coming Coach that all he needed was a place to hang his hat. Time will tell on this hire but a recipe Maine should..."IF/When"...there are changes @ Maine. I have a name that could interest many teams...UMass-Lowell's Cam Ellsworth, top assistant to Norm Bazin...and he is also the goaltending coach @ UML...a big sore spot for Maine...oh well just throwing it out...anyone else out there have IDEA's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    Maybe Maine can take a look at what Northern Michigan did yesterday and hired GRANT POTULNY, a young assistant @ Minnesota...he has experience in the College Hockey playing ranks (Minnesota)...played some AHL hockey, worked as a Assistant Coach in the World Juniors, both times the USA won the Gold Medal...and is still a young man @ 37....a man with NO TIES to NMU, but a young and coming Coach that all he needed was a place to hang his hat. Time will tell on this hire but a recipe Maine should..."IF/When"...there are changes @ Maine. I have a name that could interest many teams...UMass-Lowell's Cam Ellsworth, top assistant to Norm Bazin...and he is also the goaltending coach @ UML...a big sore spot for Maine...oh well just throwing it out...anyone else out there have IDEA's.
    That sounds something like what Maine did when they hired some assistant coach named Shawn Walsh...

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    Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

    It's hard to believe any Maine fan would ever forget the name of Grant Potulny who scored a PPG in OT of the 2002 Frozen Four to defeat Maine 4-3 for the National Championship.

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    Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean Pickett View Post
    That may well be true, but according to Maine's 2010-16 NCAA Financial reports Coach Whitehead was better at fundraisng three of his last four seasons than Coach Gendron was in his first three:
    Coach Whitehead
    2010 - $131,665
    2011 - $193,601
    2012 - $131,592
    2013 - $ 90,361
    Average - $136,805
    Coach Gendron
    2014 - $ 97,078
    2015 - $105,001
    2016 - $150,002
    Average - $117,360

    Not that either is very good. BU raised $254,506 in 24 hours on their annual giving day less than two weeks ago on 5 April. Of the public schools I have at least one NCAA Financial report for Maine ranks 14th out of 22 in average contributions.

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    Sure, cause it hadn't been that long since the team had been doing well, had been to the NCAA tournament. But they were in a downward spiral that's continued under Red. No wonder it's harder for Red to raise money than it was for TIMMAY. TIMMAY didn't have six or seven dismal seasons hanging over his head. Now, Red does, thanks in some degree to TIMMAY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma#1ne Hky View Post
    I have a name that could interest many teams...UMass-Lowell's Cam Ellsworth, top assistant to Norm Bazin...and he is also the goaltending coach @ UML...a big sore spot for Maine...oh well just throwing it out...anyone else out there have IDEA's.
    Cam does a great job, and in my opinion, is an underrated part of UML's recent success. It's surprising his name hasn't been mentioned given all of these vacancies. If Mel Pearson leaves Mich Tech for Michigan, I'm wondering if there would be mutual interest to have Cam take over that job. He's a Mich Tech alum.

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    They said they did. I'm not very disappointed. The only thing I care about is the success of the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pucknut View Post
    It's hard to believe any Maine fan would ever forget the name of Grant Potulny who scored a PPG in OT of the 2002 Frozen Four to defeat Maine 4-3 for the National Championship.



    Which never happens if Steve Piotrowski keeps his whistle in his back pocket like he should have.......he shouldn't never been officiating that game after kicking Walsh out of what turned out to be his final game the year before

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    Maine bid for 2020, 2021 and 2022
    I saw that in the paper this morning. There are earlier reports that said they were bidding for the other two that were just awarded. Maybe they're just saving face?

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    Re: UMaine Black Bears, 2nd verse same as the first 2016-2017

    Maine gets 8 NLIs signed. Who knows but this class sounds ok.

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