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  • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

    Originally posted by Deutsche Gopher Fan View Post
    They do care if costs go up, to a degree. I've spent some time working with our contracting specialists.
    It's pretty complicated.
    I get that. But only to the extent it hurts their bottom line. Which is fair, that's the game we play. In a perfect world, patients should be the top priority, not shareholders.
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    • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

      Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
      The people most hurt by the Republican plan are people like me. People aged 50-64. At this point just blow the whole ****ing thing up. Thanks Democrats and Democratic voters.
      What about us non party members who voted Dem anyways...we off the hook?
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      • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

        Originally posted by Rover View Post
        Also, while I realize this will get me kicked out of the Bernie Sanders Fan Club,
        Yeah, I don't think you need to worry about this.

        In my ideal America (which is to say, the US in the mid 60s), you're a centrist Rockefeller Republican. You are fully welcome in today's party and hey, the more the merrier! But I don't think anybody is going to confuse you with a liberal.
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        • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
          don't utilities need to go before local boards and ask for increases?

          if we move that way (should), who gets squeezed? insurance co? hospitals? dr welby? pfizer?

          again for the upteenth time, cost has got to be tackled (first).
          Other than the people processing the payments, the insurance companies bring nothing to the table- so just take them completely out. All of the money that went to the higher end executives (some of which would be replaced on a government pay scale, of course), all of the money sent to shareholders, all of the profit sharing- would go to doctors and hospitals who actually provide real service.

          Healthcare IS NOT insurance. We should not think of this like car insurance, where many people don't even use it. Everyone is born and dies- so we all need healthcare. That's a shift in thinking we need to do.

          Sure- there are a LOT of people (including me) who do as much as you can to not go to the doctor. But if you honestly want to prevent preventable diseases- you have to keep tabs on what is going on.

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          • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

            Originally posted by alfablue View Post
            Other than the people processing the payments, the insurance companies bring nothing to the table- so just take them completely out. All of the money that went to the higher end executives (some of which would be replaced on a government pay scale, of course), all of the money sent to shareholders, all of the profit sharing- would go to doctors and hospitals who actually provide real service.

            Healthcare IS NOT insurance. We should not think of this like car insurance, where many people don't even use it. Everyone is born and dies- so we all need healthcare. That's a shift in thinking we need to do.

            Sure- there are a LOT of people (including me) who do as much as you can to not go to the doctor. But if you honestly want to prevent preventable diseases- you have to keep tabs on what is going on.
            right there with you man.... "coverage".

            however ----- insurance co are in the middle now with their hands in everything. even if we can remove them we still need TO remove them by putting them on the table. let's nationalize them
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            • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

              Originally posted by Rover View Post
              I wouldn't change employer coverage right now. Concentrate on the people who aren't insured.
              nope. strength in numbers. need everyone in the pie and then a big stick. if you don't include mookie he ain't giving a chit. and you need him.
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              • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                Originally posted by Kepler View Post
                Yeah, I don't think you need to worry about this.

                In my ideal America (which is to say, the US in the mid 60s), you're a centrist Rockefeller Republican. You are fully welcome in today's party and hey, the more the merrier! But I don't think anybody is going to confuse you with a liberal.
                Great, but for once the discussion isn't about me (**** its hard being so popular. good thing I'm used to it). I see "health care" as broken into 4 parts:

                1) The Gubmint: Medicare/Medicaid/VA/Govt employees
                2) Employer coverage
                3) Private insurance, including the ACA exchanges
                4) Uninsured

                Under my plan you leave #2 alone. #1 pretty much takes over #3 and #4 with one exception, which is a few people out there will most likely still insist on buying private insurance. Nothing wrong with that but everyone getting a subsidy on the ACA exchanges most likely goes the Medicaid route with the same pricetag as they're paying now.

                So, for the time being insurance companies exist to service employer based plans and a few private plans.
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                • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                  Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                  nope. strength in numbers. need everyone in the pie and then a big stick. if you don't include mookie he ain't giving a chit. and you need him.
                  mookie is useless and not needed except to bolster the viewership of Cinemax late night TV. In an ideal world everyone would be in the same pie, but we don't live in an ideal world or Republicans, Boston College, or Justin Beiber wouldn't exist. Need to approach this realistically.
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                  • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                    Originally posted by Rover View Post
                    ... I wouldn't change employer coverage right now. Concentrate on the people who aren't insured.
                    Says someone who has not been screwed over for the all mighty dollar. Thankfully, it wasn't as bad for me as it was for my office mate- where the change meant that the new doc missed something big. Corporations change their plans very often, just to "save" a little money...

                    I'm not happy at all with the company that launders my money.

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                    • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                      Originally posted by alfablue View Post
                      Says someone who has not been screwed over for the all mighty dollar. Thankfully, it wasn't as bad for me as it was for my office mate- where the change meant that the new doc missed something big. Corporations change their plans very often, just to "save" a little money...

                      I'm not happy at all with the company that launders my money.
                      Don't bite off more than you can chew. An important lesson of the last two health care efforts, and the absurd repeal we're in the middle of now.
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                      • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                        Originally posted by Rover View Post
                        Don't bite off more than you can chew. An important lesson of the last two health care efforts, and the absurd repeal we're in the middle of now.
                        good thing nobody listens to rover. otherwise there is no apollo mission. no manhattan project. no....

                        gov is here to bite off what individuals and private enterprises can't chew.
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                        tell us all again uncle rover how hilly is in the bag and the repub party will wither and die after the 2016 elections!!!!!!


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                        • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                          Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                          right there with you man.... "coverage".

                          however ----- insurance co are in the middle now with their hands in everything. even if we can remove them we still need TO remove them by putting them on the table. let's nationalize them
                          Would your nationalized coverage include therapeutic visits to Trump brand massage parlors? Might be able to garner some support for that...

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                          • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                            Originally posted by mookie1995 View Post
                            good thing nobody listens to rover. otherwise there is no apollo mission. no manhattan project. no....

                            gov is here to bite off what individuals and private enterprises can't chew.
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                            tell us all again uncle rover how hilly is in the bag and the repub party will wither and die after the 2016 elections!!!!!!


                            Not my fault whiny losers would rather complain than vote! My conscience is clear.

                            Try enacting a single payer law overnight and watch what happens. Anybody who likes their employer sponsored healthcare is going to be front and center in any ad campaign against this. You'd also have to address the millions of people about to lose their jobs in the insurance industry. Lastly, you'd have to explain the windfall you've just given corp America, bigger than most GOP tax cuts, where they now are no longer on the hook for health insurance.

                            I appreciate the goal here. I'm not against single payer. We should be moving towards that. However, any plan to do so in one big swoop will not only be defeated soundly, but will lead to the election of anti-single payer people who will be pressing to turn Medicaid and Medicare into a block grant that states can then use for tax cuts for the rich.

                            Far better to do what I say, and then slowly expand single payer on both ends - every year Medicare starts earlier until it starts at age 50 for example, and everyone who hits the age of 18 is enrolled in a Medicaid type plan. Eventually those two will meet, industry will have time to adjust, and everybody's happy.
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                            • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                              Originally posted by Rover View Post

                              Try enacting a single payer law overnight and watch what happens. Anybody who likes their employer sponsored healthcare is going to be front and center in any ad campaign against this. You'd also have to address the millions of people about to lose their jobs in the insurance industry. Lastly, you'd have to explain the windfall you've just given corp America, bigger than most GOP tax cuts, where they now are no longer on the hook for health insurance.
                              That won't matter, even under your way of doing it. The minute you have single payer for individuals who want their own plans, and the uninsured, companies will start dumping their coverage.

                              And what's wrong with a windfall like that? It will spur innovation and infrastructure spending, as well as boosting employment. At least, that's what Republicans tell me.
                              What kind of cheese are you planning to put on top?

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                              • Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                                Originally posted by rufus View Post
                                That won't matter, even under your way of doing it. The minute you have single payer for individuals who want their own plans, and the uninsured, companies will start dumping their coverage.

                                And what's wrong with a windfall like that? It will spur innovation and infrastructure spending, as well as boosting employment. At least, that's what Republicans tell me.
                                How does it change the employee expenditures for the companies? Instead of Widget Co paying (just tossing out a number here, $15,000) to Big Bill Insurance for its employer-sponsored plan, that payment is now made to the government through employee Bob's tax collections. If Bob isn't receiving the money that had previously gone to Big Bill Insurance Co., then Bob is now getting a raw deal as his taxes are going up without an offset to cover that additional cost. So he's essentially getting a reduced compensation package from Widget Co. Bob and his coworkers won't stand for that, so Widget Co will now pay Bob that erstwhile $15K Big Bill Ins Co premium as taxable income.
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