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    If you can't even get CNBC to post favorable articles about the ACA repeal, you're in trouble!

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/14/top-0...obamacare.html

    Make no mistake, this is a tax cut for the rich at the expense of 24-26M people's health insurance. Some may not mind that, but lets call it for what it is.


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    Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rover View Post
    If you can't even get CNBC to post favorable articles about the ACA repeal, you're in trouble!

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/14/top-0...obamacare.html

    Make no mistake, this is a tax cut for the rich at the expense of 24-26M people's health insurance. Some may not mind that, but lets call it for what it is.


    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/14/white...ed-people.html
    Anymore, the only ones I feel sorry for are the ones who lose coverage, but didn't vote for don.

    The rest- who all downplayed many of his claims- sucks to be you.

    don is going to soon announce the repeal of laws that I work on, directly. People who I work with still think he won't roll the rules back, or that we won't stop work on it.

    In a couple of months, when that work is cut back, since it won' t be needed for 3.75 more years, it will be hard not to say "told ya so".

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    Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

    I imagine the righties on here, like Joe, are just giddy that tens of millions are going to lose insurance, some of whom will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    I imagine the righties on here, like Joe, are just giddy that tens of millions are going to lose insurance, some of whom will die.
    You're one twisted ******.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    I imagine the righties on here, like Joe, are just giddy that tens of millions are going to lose insurance, some of whom will die.
    Except there's a large chunk of voters who think just like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    You're one twisted ******.
    hey, I'm not the one that wants to ****** over tens of millions of people just to undo something Obama did.

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    Bass is correct, also from CNBC...

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/14/cbo-r...ommentary.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    hey, I'm not the one that wants to ****** over tens of millions of people just to undo something Obama did.
    The people I know who want the ACA repealed are the ones who got f--ked over by it in the first place. My neighbor owns his own small business, provided insurance for his family before the ACA, and then his premiums tripled. Yeah, his motivation is that he wants people to die in the streets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    The people I know who want the ACA repealed are the ones who got f--ked over by it in the first place. My neighbor owns his own small business, provided insurance for his family before the ACA, and then his premiums tripled. Yeah, his motivation is that he wants people to die in the streets.
    Two things:
    1. Those premiums would have likely gone up with or without the ACA. I don't know about how fast they tripled, but my healthcare costs have gone up too, significantly, on an employer self insured plan.
    2. The Republicans have done everything they could to strip important parts of the ACA out of the ACA. They wanted it to fail. They needed it to fail. Instead of trying to fix it, they threw it an anchor and told it to swim. They also fired a couple of shots at it too, you know, just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rufus View Post
    Their voters don't like it cause it retains too much of Obamacare. It's not "conservative" enough for them.
    The only relevant point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Two things:
    1. Those premiums would have likely gone up with or without the ACA. I don't know about how fast they tripled, but my healthcare costs have gone up too, significantly, on an employer self insured plan.
    2. The Republicans have done everything they could to strip important parts of the ACA out of the ACA. They wanted it to fail. They needed it to fail. Instead of trying to fix it, they threw it an anchor and told it to swim. They also fired a couple of shots at it too, you know, just in case.
    Premiums had been going up 8-10% per year for the country on average prior to the ACA. It would've taken a long, long time for them to triple.

    When you're arguing about the details behind the law that formed the ACA, the Average Joe was looking at his pocketbook and focusing on how he was going to afford his insurance. The details of the bill mattered little to him at that point. And the Average Joe saw who was in power when it passed, and thus the blame was set and the 2016 vote was cast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Two things:
    1. Those premiums would have likely gone up with or without the ACA. I don't know about how fast they tripled, but my healthcare costs have gone up too, significantly, on an employer self insured plan.
    2. The Republicans have done everything they could to strip important parts of the ACA out of the ACA. They wanted it to fail. They needed it to fail. Instead of trying to fix it, they threw it an anchor and told it to swim. They also fired a couple of shots at it too, you know, just in case.
    I always preferred the analogy that they had a poker game, stacked the deck, dealt themselves a full house each game and then wondered why the other people couldnt win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Premiums had been going up 8-10% per year for the country on average prior to the ACA. It would've taken a long, long time for them to triple.

    When you're arguing about the details behind the law that formed the ACA, the Average Joe was looking at his pocketbook and focusing on how he was going to afford his insurance. The details of the bill mattered little to him at that point. And the Average Joe saw who was in power when it passed, and thus the blame was set and the 2016 vote was cast.
    The power of compound interest. 9% annual increases takes 9 years to double and 14 years to triple. Not as long as you'd think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    The people I know who want the ACA repealed are the ones who got f--ked over by it in the first place. My neighbor owns his own small business, provided insurance for his family before the ACA, and then his premiums tripled. Yeah, his motivation is that he wants people to die in the streets.
    The tea party started protesting the ACA before the ink was dry and anyone's premiums changed.


    How does your neighbor's plan compare? Did it have a cap? Are we making an apples to apples comparison?

    The truth is Americans are getting fatter and more unhealthy. The only way to bring costs down would be for everyone to suddenly loose 50 pounds, force all young healthy people to enroll in insurance, and maybe even ban for-profit healthcare and insurance providers.

    Doesn't research suggest premiums increased less with ACA than they would have without it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    The only relevant point.
    But you strip the Obamacare lite parts of it out, and their voters will like it. An even more horrible bill which would get passed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unofan View Post
    The power of compound interest. 9% annual increases takes 9 years to double and 14 years to triple. Not as long as you'd think.
    Still not the, what, 7 years since the law was passed (very end of 2009) and 3 years since its required insurance policies took effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    The tea party started protesting the ACA before the ink was dry and anyone's premiums changed.


    How does your neighbor's plan compare? Did it have a cap? Are we making an apples to apples comparison?

    The truth is Americans are getting fatter and more unhealthy. The only way to bring costs down would be for everyone to suddenly loose 50 pounds, force all young healthy people to enroll in insurance, and maybe even ban for-profit healthcare and insurance providers.

    Doesn't research suggest premiums increased less with ACA than they would have without it?
    For similar coverage, perhaps. The problem for most people is that the ACA forced a lot more coverage for each person, regardless of whether or not they wanted it.

    Also, a big part of my point is the political optics. The Democrats put themselves in place to be blamed, and the Republicans facilitated that as much as they could, and this is what you get. The "game" was played better by the Right side than the Left side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassAle View Post
    I imagine the righties on here, like Joe, are just giddy that tens of millions are going to lose insurance, some of whom will die.
    No one gets out alive. I'm sure Joe wants folks to die
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    Still not the, what, 7 years since the law was passed (very end of 2009) and 3 years since its required insurance policies took effect.
    So the solution is to repeal it and give the top 1% a $600 billion tax cut?

    No, the solution is to stop the bleeding the GOP induced when it gutted the bill, repeatedly. Or single payer. I'm ready to give it a shot.
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    Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    The people I know who want the ACA repealed are the ones who got f--ked over by it in the first place. My neighbor owns his own small business, provided insurance for his family before the ACA, and then his premiums tripled. Yeah, his motivation is that he wants people to die in the streets.
    The national growth rate for health insurance premiums slowed with the ACA. So while anecdotally someone's tripled, that was no where close to the norm. Maybe his costs would have quadrupled if not for the ACA? And it is not attributed to higher deductibles either, growth in deductibles was higher before the ACA than it was after as well. Facts and data simply don't back up the ACA driving up costs.

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