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  • #631
    Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

    Originally posted by burd View Post
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    • #632
      Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

      The GOP is starting to figure out that when they got their base all up in arms about ousting "Obamacare"... it was much, much more about the "Obama" than about the "care".
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      • #633
        Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

        Originally posted by bronconick View Post
        The GOP is starting to figure out that when they got their base all up in arms about ousting "Obamacare"... it was much, much more about the "Obama" than about the "care".
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        • #634
          Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

          Originally posted by bronconick View Post
          The GOP is starting to figure out that when they got their base all up in arms about ousting "Obamacare"... it was much, much more about the "Obama" than about the "care".
          Remember the polling of Republicans concerning the state of the economy. The week before the election they were about 15/65 (good/bad), The week after they were about 40/40.

          It's almost as if their perception of empirical reality is just a function of their whims and desires.
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          • #635
            Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

            For anyone in the twin cities, Keith Ellison and Andy slavitt are hosting a healthcare forum in Hopkins tomorrow at 6pm. Really wish I could go.

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            • #636
              Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

              https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0

              White House officials, desperate to demonstrate progress on President Trump’s promise to repeal the Affordable Care Act, are pushing to resurrect a Republican health care bill before his 100th day in office next week.
              Where are the new ideas?

              The latest version of the proposal, published Thursday morning by Politico, would maintain popular benefits in President Barack Obama’s signature domestic achievement, like guaranteed coverage for emergency services and maternity care. It would also preserve the health law’s ban on insurers rejecting customers with pre-existing medical conditions.

              But under this Affordable Care Act replacement, states could seek waivers from many of those mandates if they demonstrate that premiums would be lowered, the number of insured people would increase, or “the public interest of the state” would be advanced.

              States could request an exemption from the rule intended to ensure that people with pre-existing conditions could not be charged prohibitive premiums — but only if those states establish a high-risk insurance pool.

              “The plan gets better and better and better, and it’s gotten really, really good, and a lot of people are liking it a lot,” Mr. Trump said. Asked if a health bill could pass as Congress tries to avert a government shutdown, the president said, “I think we’ll get both.”
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              Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
              Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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              • #637
                Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0



                Where are the new ideas?
                Scooby, either you're being intentionally dim on this, or you're just not reading it correctly.

                But under this Affordable Care Act replacement, states could seek waivers from many of those mandates if they demonstrate that premiums would be lowered, the number of insured people would increase, or “the public interest of the state” would be advanced.

                States could request an exemption from the rule intended to ensure that people with pre-existing conditions could not be charged prohibitive premiums — but only if those states establish a high-risk insurance pool.
                For Minnesota, that's basically a return to the pre-ACA situation in this state. As to the first paragraph of the full quote you gave, the changes to the old MN law would be the maternity care and pre-existing conditions clause.
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                • #638
                  Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                  Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                  Scooby, either you're being intentionally dim on this, or you're just not reading it correctly.



                  For Minnesota, that's basically a return to the pre-ACA situation in this state. As to the first paragraph of the full quote you gave, the changes to the old MN law would be the maternity care and pre-existing conditions clause.
                  That's not new ideas. I want new ideas. Health Care was a disaster before the ACA and it's a disaster after ACA. I want something new.
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                  Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                  Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                  • #639
                    Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                    Originally posted by ScoobyDoo View Post
                    That's not new ideas. I want new ideas. Health Care was a disaster before the ACA and it's a disaster after ACA. I want something new.
                    To a lot of people, what's old is new. It's new because it's different from the current situation, like fashion trends. No, I'm not kidding. Because people have the memories of Gypsy moths.
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                    • #640
                      Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                      Originally posted by St. Clown View Post
                      To a lot of people, what's old is new. It's new because it's different from the current situation, like fashion trends. No, I'm not kidding. Because people have the memories of Gypsy moths.
                      Well, sorry, my memory is more elephant than Gypsy Moth. I want something new. I want some real problem solving.
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                      Originally Posted by dropthatpuck-Scooby's a lost cause.
                      Originally Posted by First Time, Long Time-Always knew you were nothing but a troll.

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                      • #641
                        Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                        That law wont pass...the same people who wouldnt vote last time because "it was still too liberal" will vote against it this time. Every time he tries to keep the "pre-existing conditions" in he will lose.

                        And even if the "waivers" were enough to appease them (it isnt) the "moderate" Republicans wont support it because they will catch hell for supporting a plan that can still kick off millions of people and wont be any more affordable.

                        He cant have his cake and eat it too...he either needs a full repeal or he needs to walk away. The Dems are solid against him and his party is split on what they will support.
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                        • #642
                          Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                          Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                          That law wont pass...the same people who wouldnt vote last time because "it was still too liberal" will vote against it this time. Every time he tries to keep the "pre-existing conditions" in he will lose.

                          And even if the "waivers" were enough to appease them (it isnt) the "moderate" Republicans wont support it because they will catch hell for supporting a plan that can still kick off millions of people and wont be any more affordable.

                          He cant have his cake and eat it too...he either needs a full repeal or he needs to walk away. The Dems are solid against him and his party is split on what they will support.
                          I admire Trump's ability to get the press to roll over and fetch on command, but what I don't understand is are they 1) still passing a massive tax cut for the 1%, and 2) are they still getting rid of the Medicaid expansion? If so then by all means they need to pass this thing immediately. Good luck as a moderate sitting in a Dem district and running on that next year.
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                          • #643
                            Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                            Originally posted by Rover View Post
                            I admire Trump's ability to get the press to roll over and fetch on command, but what I don't understand is are they 1) still passing a massive tax cut for the 1%, and 2) are they still getting rid of the Medicaid expansion? If so then by all means they need to pass this thing immediately. Good luck as a moderate sitting in a Dem district and running on that next year.
                            The GOP is running into the difficulty of having to face the voters when they are responsible for policy. Their whole shtick is screaming from the gallery that EVERYTHING SUCKS!!! and GUBMINT IS INCOMPETENT!!!!, and the type of people who flood YouTube and Twitter with "burn it all down" flaming go along with them.

                            Now that they have to be responsible, they can't do that anymore.

                            The GOP was the bad boy adolescent rebel living with his boring Democratic parents who were making sure he got meals and had a roof over his head. He spent all his time cursing them out about how "you're not fair!" and "rules are tyrannical!" and that made a big impression on the middle school kids.

                            Then the voters took him up on his challenge and gave him his "freedom."

                            So now he's just a jobless loser still hanging around the high school even though he's 26. The people who never liked him now just laugh at him, and the people who did like him wish he would clean up his act and start taking some responsibility.
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                            • #644
                              Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                              Originally posted by Rover View Post
                              I admire Trump's ability to get the press to roll over and fetch on command, but what I don't understand is are they 1) still passing a massive tax cut for the 1%, and 2) are they still getting rid of the Medicaid expansion? If so then by all means they need to pass this thing immediately. Good luck as a moderate sitting in a Dem district and running on that next year.
                              Well the one thing the moderates could hope is that people arent engaged a second time around...problem is they will be MORE engaged because now they see it coming. The town halls havent been easing up on the GOPers that support this crap and the Georgia 6th is showing that no district is safe with Trump as President.

                              The ACHA in any form is an albatross for the GOP...they need to take the hit and repeal. They cant leave ObamaCare in place because half of them ran on repealing it and everyone can see they are the ones in control. Fixing it isnt enough and the half measures wont pass for various reasons. Their only shot is to rip off the band-aid and embrace the horror. They try and appease everyone and they will get waved out in 2 years...just ask the Dems. (this is how the Dems do politics wishy washy and with no spine)
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                              • #645
                                Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

                                Originally posted by Handyman View Post
                                Well the one thing the moderates could hope is that people arent engaged a second time around...problem is they will be MORE engaged because now they see it coming. The town halls havent been easing up on the GOPers that support this crap and the Georgia 6th is showing that no district is safe with Trump as President.
                                This is true. Those town halls have been brutal, and the aw shucks I'm just a regular Joe/Jill types who have been letting them have it are the worst possible optics for them, especially when every night the face of their party slimes his way into everyone's living room to say something else that's stupid / crazy and/or evil.

                                Trump is his own Vietnam. Johnson was destroyed by the footage every night. Trump makes his own footage, and has no idea that he is taking down himself and his entire party. It would be funny if it wasn't so... nah. It's funny.
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