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    ECAC-West playoff format change

    There is a change in the format of the Division 3 ECAC- West playoff tournament. A full 8 teams will qualify, with the quarterfinals on Thursday, February 23 hosted by the top 4 seeds.
    Instead of the top 4 going to one site, the semifinals will be hosted by the top 2 remaining seeds on Sunday, February 26. The final will be Saturday, March 4 at the site of the highest remaining seed.

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    Re: ECAC-West playoff format change

    So for one year (before the league dissolves) they're going to change the playoff format. The #7 (Neumann) and #8 (William Smith) teams are 3-12-2 so far this year. That should help the top two teams with their SOS.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by spwood View Post
    So for one year (before the league dissolves) they're going to change the playoff format. The #7 (Neumann) and #8 (William Smith) teams are 3-12-2 so far this year. That should help the top two teams with their SOS.....
    Lol, agreed. What a joke this is. Hey on the other hand Chatham now has a legitimate chance of finally making the playoffs. They just need 3 points to pass William Smith for 8th place. Go Chatham!

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    They're really doing extra to try and knockoff Plattsburgh in the last year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    They're really doing extra to try and knockoff Plattsburgh in the last year...

    Scott...Scott...Scott... I just have to hear your thought process as to why "they're" trying to knock off Plattsburgh.

    Are you afraid that Chatham might get 3 points and the #8 seed. Then bus all the way to Platty and play you in the first round! It is hard to beat a team 3x in a season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Call It View Post
    Scott...Scott...Scott... I just have to hear your thought process as to why "they're" trying to knock off Plattsburgh.

    Are you afraid that Chatham might get 3 points and the #8 seed. Then bus all the way to Platty and play you in the first round! It is hard to beat a team 3x in a season
    It's not about fearing Chatham, Neumann or William Smith it's about the advantages the #1 seed loses in this format:

    1) #1 and #2 seeds now have to play a quarterfinal losing the rest and recovery of the bye week.
    2) #2 [likely Elmira], assuming they knock off #7, seed now gets a semifinal at home, with home ice advantage.
    3) Winner of the semi now gets a full week of rest and enhanced preperation for the final.

    This should make the tourney more competitive and fun to watch, especially for the #3 and #4 seed but to do it all of a sudden the last season before the conference as we know it falls apart definitely seems to have knocking the Cards off their perch for the final showdown of this incarnation of the ECAC West as a motivating factor. Both top seeds will be more prone to an upset if the mid seeds have extra rest will combat the depth disadvantage that gets compounded by the back to back of the weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    It's not about fearing Chatham, Neumann or William Smith it's about the advantages the #1 seed loses in this format:

    1) #1 and #2 seeds now have to play a quarterfinal losing the rest and recovery of the bye week.
    2) #2 [likely Elmira], assuming they knock off #7, seed now gets a semifinal at home, with home ice advantage.
    3) Winner of the semi now gets a full week of rest and enhanced preperation for the final.

    This should make the tourney more competitive and fun to watch, especially for the #3 and #4 seed but to do it all of a sudden the last season before the conference as we know it falls apart definitely seems to have knocking the Cards off their perch for the final showdown of this incarnation of the ECAC West as a motivating factor. Both top seeds will be more prone to an upset if the mid seeds have extra rest will combat the depth disadvantage that gets compounded by the back to back of the weekend.
    Waah, waah, waah! Poor Platty and Elmira. Do you hear yourself, seriously?! They've owned that conference for eternity. I still think they'll have no problem getting to the final again this year no matter the format. This is exciting for the rest of the teams and not just the two spoiled brats at the top, for a change. It's probably way overdue. I'm willing to bet the top two schools probably put the nix on this format for several years before now. Good luck to "the rest."

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    It wouldn't be the first time a conference has tried to **** Plattsburgh over.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelfit View Post
    Waah, waah, waah! Poor Platty and Elmira. Do you hear yourself, seriously?! They've owned that conference for eternity. I still think they'll have no problem getting to the final again this year no matter the format. This is exciting for the rest of the teams and not just the two spoiled brats at the top, for a change. It's probably way overdue. I'm willing to bet the top two schools probably put the nix on this format for several years before now. Good luck to "the rest."
    I'm not crying about it, as you say they're going to be highly favored no matter the format. I'm calling it out because they're not doing this purely for the sake of adding two teams.

    I hope the non #1 seeds make the most of the extra home games and time at home to prepare, because it should make for better hockey when the final comes around no matter who is in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    It wouldn't be the first time a conference has tried to **** Plattsburgh over.....
    That would be the same conference only the men's side....but Plattsburgh prevailed....won the tourney...skated off...leaving the trophy on the ice...if I remember correctly


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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdwatcher View Post
    That would be the same conference only the men's side....but Plattsburgh prevailed....won the tourney...skated off...leaving the trophy on the ice...if I remember correctly
    At Elmira.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    At Elmira.
    Is there anywhere I can read about what happened?

    And anyone hearing anything regarding the realignment for the SUNY schools left in the ECAC West?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Is there anywhere I can read about what happened?

    And anyone hearing anything regarding the realignment for the SUNY schools left in the ECAC West?
    Im sure it was in some newspapers back then. Wasn't it Jimmy Duran?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    Im sure it was in some newspapers back then. Wasn't it Jimmy Duran?
    Thanks for the tip with the name. Was able to find the preview article and the game wrap from the 1992 issues of the Press Republican that shed light on the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Thanks for the tip with the name. Was able to find the preview article and the game wrap from the 1992 issues of the Press Republican that shed light on the story.
    http://nyshistoricnewspapers.org/lcc...-1/seq-14/png/

    Yea I like that one too....it was also known as the "Triple Crown" (if you ever see the old hats)

    ....and then just a few days later we had this

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    Quote Originally Posted by shelfit View Post
    Waah, waah, waah! Poor Platty and Elmira. Do you hear yourself, seriously?! They've owned that conference for eternity. I still think they'll have no problem getting to the final again this year no matter the format. This is exciting for the rest of the teams and not just the two spoiled brats at the top, for a change. It's probably way overdue. I'm willing to bet the top two schools probably put the nix on this format for several years before now. Good luck to "the rest."
    If you'll reread my comment, my concern was adding another low SOS game to the top two teams' resume. I'm not really concerned that William Smith, Neumann, or Chatham are ready to beat Plattsburgh, Elmira, or probably even Oswego yet. It was more about two of those three teams are going to need an at-large bid to make the NCAA tournament and they now get an extra drag on their SOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spwood View Post
    If you'll reread my comment, my concern was adding another low SOS game to the top two teams' resume. I'm not really concerned that William Smith, Neumann, or Chatham are ready to beat Plattsburgh, Elmira, or probably even Oswego yet. It was more about two of those three teams are going to need an at-large bid to make the NCAA tournament and they now get an extra drag on their SOS.
    I wouldn't lump Oswego in with Platty and Elmira in any way, not even close to having the same level and history of successful hockey, but that's irrelevant at the moment. Don't most other conferences already have at least the top 8 teams making the playoffs? I'm not saying having 8 or more teams is a good idea, but those conferences that already have that number of playoff teams have the same SOS problem. Playing a Plymouth State or a Southen Maine type of team doesn't do a Norwich, Manhattanville or UMass-Boston type of team any good either. So welcome to what other teams have been dealing with for years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shelfit View Post
    I wouldn't lump Oswego in with Platty and Elmira in any way, not even close to having the same level and history of successful hockey, but that's irrelevant at the moment. Don't most other conferences already have at least the top 8 teams making the playoffs? I'm not saying having 8 or more teams is a good idea, but those conferences that already have that number of playoff teams have the same SOS problem. Playing a Plymouth State or a Southen Maine type of team doesn't do a Norwich, Manhattanville or UMass-Boston type of team any good either. So welcome to what other teams have been dealing with for years.
    No. Only the NESCAC and NEHC take the Top 8.....the average is 5 for the rest of the world....

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    Quote Originally Posted by spwood View Post
    If you'll reread my comment, my concern was adding another low SOS game to the top two teams' resume. I'm not really concerned that William Smith, Neumann, or Chatham are ready to beat Plattsburgh, Elmira, or probably even Oswego yet. It was more about two of those three teams are going to need an at-large bid to make the NCAA tournament and they now get an extra drag on their SOS.
    You're also getting another game to add to your winning percentage....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    You're also getting another game to add to your winning percentage....
    Which we know is weighted more by the Selection Committee than SOS is... You're getting a bump up in a criteria that historically hasn't been looked on as favorably as SOS has, which is taking a hit...
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