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    Patty Kazmaier 2017

    The season is winding down.....Is it ARD vs Pannek? No one else really jumps out at me statistically, they both lead their respective stats comfortably. Are there any Eastern players to consider?
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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    The season is winding down.....Is it ARD vs Pannek? No one else really jumps out at me statistically, they both lead their respective stats comfortably. Are there any Eastern players to consider?
    nice of you to pretend somebody else has a chance

    I see someone has finally passed Cameranesi's goal total, it "only" took 7 games
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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    ....... Are there any Eastern players to consider?
    And if we did would that be considered Eastern Bias?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vicb View Post
    And if we did would that be considered Eastern Bias?
    Check out Wednesday Women for their insight on the PK. There is eastern content that might surprise some.

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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    The season is winding down.....Is it ARD vs Pannek? No one else really jumps out at me statistically, they both lead their respective stats comfortably. Are there any Eastern players to consider?
    I'll go with Pannek.
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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Now that Pannek is in the Patty K discussion, I don't want to be a bad source, I'd like to correct some information I sent out recently that I discovered was incorrect.

    Pannek is 2nd among forwards in blocked shots in the WCHA. not the NCAA as I previously reported. Still pretty good, but.......
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    I'm not sure if ARD missing 5 games will be a factor or not. It probably helps her case that her GAA is 1.00 less than her back-up's and her save percentage is 6% better, so it's just not the team in front of her. If it's anything like Coyne's last year, it's more like a college hockey lifetime achievement award than just based on that 1 season.
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    I do not believe missing games is a factor. It might have more to do with the fact that ARD averages 15-16 shots against per game on the #1 ranked team in the nation. Your comments on the back-up are fair. There is no denying that ARD is a talented goaltender however playing on a powerhouse team likely hurts her more than helps her which some would say is unfair. Personally, I like Howard from Robert Morris. She doesn't have the supporting cast that Pannek has, not even close and is putting up the numbers. Having said that, if the Patty Kazmaeir was awarded today, it would have to go to Pannek.

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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Puckdrop14 View Post
    I do not believe missing games is a factor.
    It's always a factor. A player only has so many chances to make her impact, and each game missed is one fewer chance. It can be overcome, but then more has to be shown in the remaining games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    It's always a factor. A player only has so many chances to make her impact, and each game missed is one fewer chance. It can be overcome, but then more has to be shown in the remaining games.
    Looking back on my comment, what I meant to say is "I do not believe that missing 5 games is a factor" and agree that it can be a factor however it does depend on how many games are missed and whether or not a player can make a difference in the remaining games. Tough for a goalie.

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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Puckdrop14 View Post
    Check out Wednesday Women for their insight on the PK.
    the PK is not an MVP award like in baseball

    "the Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award is presented annually to the top player in NCAA Division I women’s ice hockey. Other selection criteria include outstanding individual and team skills, sportsmanship, performance in the clutch, personal character, competitiveness and a love of hockey. Consideration is also given to academic achievement and civic involvement."

    and I don't see anything where previous years must be ignored. So the fact that Desbiens isn't breaking the records she set last year, it shouldn't preclude her from winning it this year.

    and also the comment that Pannek has the support Howard does not, they should probably look at the Gopher injury reports
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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    If your goalie doesn't win the PK it will be a crime. She has been the best player in the country hands down. If there were a player that had ridiculous numbers that haven't been seen in decades I could see her losing...that's it...but there is no such player this year. For a goalie to put up those numbers...for a couple of years now...there is no way she does not get that honor. If they give it to a player that blows Carpenter or Coyne's numbers out I could see it. The problem is that there are no players that good this year. ARD has numbers that are once in a generation. There were 6 forwards with higher numbers last year. This year is mediocre at best for forwards. ARD HANDS DOWN!!!...and I'm from the East!

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    My Sonmorlike quality thinks Pannek should win, but the numbers say Desbiens. Averaging 17 saves a game (if my Harding math is correct) is not huge, but her numbers are similar to last year (when I thought she should win) and she's a senior and Pannek's a junior and I'm sure they're both nice people and good students so...

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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    If I had a vote it's ARD, no question.
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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Hard to argue against Desbiens...

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    Not right but looking at her body of work over two years supports her selection. The 17 shots per game is a fact and will be questioned as it should however the results speak for themselves. I still believe that Stalder is a top contender when you factor in where UMD sits in the standings this year versus last year and the impact she has had on the team.

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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Puckdrop14 View Post
    Not right but looking at her body of work over two years supports her selection. The 17 shots per game is a fact and will be questioned as it should however the results speak for themselves. I still believe that Stalder is a top contender when you factor in where UMD sits in the standings this year versus last year and the impact she has had on the team.
    I would argue that with facing only 17/18 shots a game, the save percentage of almost .96 is even more impressive. That and she has shutouts in half of the conference games started. Plus, why should she be penalized playing for a team that backchecks pretty well and also controls the puck a majority of the time?

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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    I can't argue against ARD, particularly because she didn't win it last year and she has the best save % this year on top of what she did last year.

    I agree that Stalder is a prime candidate for reasons just mentioned along with Marchment, Webster and Mercer.

    I'm arguing for Kelly Pannek. Leading the country in points, her leadership is great, and her shot blocking sets her apart as a high scoring forward. Her intensity and desperation at the end of the UND game Friday when UND had their goalie pulled and scoring from her knees from the defensive zone is a prime example. It was lucky except it was the classic Kelly play.

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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Puckdrop14 View Post
    Not right but looking at her body of work over two years supports her selection.
    One could argue Coyne's last year, and it was argued, that it was simply a lifetime achievement award.
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    Re: Patty Kazmaeir 2017

    Quote Originally Posted by KTDC View Post
    I can't argue against ARD, particularly because she didn't win it last year and she has the best save % this year on top of what she did last year.

    I agree that Stalder is a prime candidate for reasons just mentioned along with Marchment, Webster and Mercer.

    I'm arguing for Kelly Pannek. Leading the country in points, her leadership is great, and her shot blocking sets her apart as a high scoring forward. Her intensity and desperation at the end of the UND game Friday when UND had their goalie pulled and scoring from her knees from the defensive zone is a prime example. It was lucky except it was the classic Kelly play.
    Everything you said about Kelly is spot on. She is amazing.

    If I remember correctly, in 2013 Coach Frost said of the three finalists, "It's apples to oranges to bananas," or something like that.

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