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    Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

    Quote Originally Posted by e.cat View Post
    Don't confuse the issue with facts and details Mike
    From an upcoming article on the 2017-18 UNH incoming freshman class:

    "Neutral Zone, a top amateur hockey scouting service, ranked the 2017-18 UNH recruiting class as the 8th highest in all of Division I hockey utilizing their measurement of overall quality of recruits. Neutral Zone rated the UNH frosh (3 defensemen, 1 goalie, 3 forwards) an average score of 3.93 Stars on a 5-Star scale - a higher overall quality score than all Hockey East programs except Boston University (4.22) and Boston College (4.05). Two UNH freshmen were awarded ratings of 4 stars or above - Max Gildon (4.75 Stars) and Charlie Kelleher (4.25 Stars). On their weighted, algorithm point system, Neutral Zone rated UNH as the 14th best recruiting class in Division I."

    Here's some of the data on the 2017-18 incoming classes from Neutral Zone as of September 8, 2017:

    "Highest Overall Quality" as measured by average star rating

    #1 Michigan (6 commits) - 4.33 star average (on 5-point scale)
    #2 Minnesota (7) - 4.29
    #3 North Dakota (8) - 4.25
    #4 BU (9) - 4.22
    #5 Wisconsin (7) - 4.11
    #6 BC (5) - 4.05
    #7 Denver (9) - 4.03
    #8 UNH (7) - 3.93
    #9 Penn State (8) - 3.91
    #10 Providence (8) - 3.91
    #11 Minnesota State (9) - 3.89
    #12 UConn (5) - 3.85
    #13 Quinnipiac (8) - 3.84
    #14 Miami (7) - 3.82
    #15 UMass Amherst (13) - 3.81
    #16 Notre Dame (6) - 3.79
    #17 Union (9) - 3.78
    #18 Clarkson (8) - 3.78
    #19 Vermont (12) - 3.77
    #20 Cornell (10) - 3.75

    Other Hockey East Schools:
    #29 Northeastern (9) - 3.69
    #33 Merrimack (8) - 3.62
    #36 Maine (10) - 3.60
    #50 UMass Lowell (6) - 3.50

    "Total Points" (based on weighted algorithm)

    #1 North Dakota (8 commits) - 1120
    #2 BU (9) - 1105
    #3 UMass Amherst (13) - 1081
    #4 Minnesota (7) - 1000
    #5 Denver (9) - 884
    #6 Michigan (6) - 861
    #7 Vermont (12) - 813
    #8 Minnesota State (9) - 789
    #9 Penn State (8) - 689
    #10 Wisconsin (7) - 675
    #11 Providence (8) - 657
    #12 Colorado College (13) - 653
    #13 St Lawrence (10) - 647
    #14 UNH (7) - 643
    #15 Cornell (10) - 641
    #16 Michigan State (9) - 631
    #17 Union (9) - 617
    #18 Northeastern (9) - 605
    #19 Quinnipiac (8) - 603
    #20 Clarkson (8) - 598

    Other Hockey East Schools:
    #30 Maine (10) - 494
    #31 BC (10) - 482
    #36 Merrimack (8) - 466
    #43 UConn (5) - 423
    #52 UMass Lowell (6) - 305

    Here's a link to the list of Neutral Zone Scouts
    The large majority of them are former college and/or pro players, coaches, and/or team scouts.
    Incidently, former UNH All-American Sean Collins is an NZ Head Scout in the USA. There are many NZ scouts who cover Canada.
    Last edited by C-H-C; 09-08-2017 at 09:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C-H-C View Post
    From an upcoming article on the 2017-18 UNH incoming freshman class:

    "Neutral Zone, a top amateur hockey scouting service, ranked the 2017-18 UNH recruiting class as the 8th highest in all of Division I hockey utilizing their measurement of overall quality of recruits. Neutral Zone rated the UNH frosh (3 defensemen, 1 goalie, 3 forwards) an average score of 3.93 Stars on a 5-Star scale - a higher overall quality score than all Hockey East programs except Boston University (4.22) and Boston College (4.05). Two UNH freshmen were awarded ratings of 4 stars or above - Max Gildon (4.75 Stars) and Charlie Kelleher (4.25 Stars). On their weighted, algorithm point system, Neutral Zone rated UNH as the 14th best recruiting class in Division I."

    Here's some of the data from Neutral Zone as of September 8, 2017:

    "Highest Overall Quality" as measured by average star rating

    #1 Michigan (6 commits) - 4.33 star average (on 5-point scale)
    #2 Minnesota (7) - 4.29
    #3 North Dakota (8) - 4.25
    #4 BU (9) - 4.22
    #5 Wisconsin (7) - 4.11
    #6 BC (5) - 4.05
    #7 Denver (9) - 4.03
    #8 UNH (7) - 3.93
    #9 Penn State (8) - 3.91
    #10 Providence (8) - 3.91
    #11 Minnesota State (9) - 3.89
    #12 UConn (5) - 3.85
    #13 Quinnipiac (8) - 3.84
    #14 Miami (7) - 3.82
    #15 UMass Amherst (13) - 3.81
    #16 Notre Dame (6) - 3.79
    #17 Union (9) - 3.78
    #18 Clarkson (8) - 3.78
    #19 Vermont (12) - 3.77
    #20 Cornell (10) - 3.75

    Other Hockey East Schools:
    #29 Northeastern (9) - 3.69
    #33 Merrimack (8) - 3.62
    #36 Maine (10) - 3.60
    #50 UMass Lowell (6) - 3.50

    "Total Points" (based on weighted algorithm)

    #1 North Dakota (8 commits) - 1120
    #2 BU (9) - 1105
    #3 UMass Amherst (13) - 1081
    #4 Minnesota (7) - 1000
    #5 Denver (9) - 884
    #6 Michigan (6) - 861
    #7 Vermont (12) - 813
    #8 Minnesota State (9) - 789
    #9 Penn State (8) - 689
    #10 Wisconsin (7) - 675
    #11 Providence (8) - 657
    #12 Colorado College (13) - 653
    #13 St Lawrence (10) - 647
    #14 UNH (7) - 643
    #15 Cornell (10) - 641
    #16 Michigan State (9) - 631
    #17 Union (9) - 617
    #18 Northeastern (9) - 605
    #19 Quinnipiac (8) - 603
    #20 Clarkson (8) - 598

    Other Hockey East Schools:
    #30 Maine (10) - 494
    #31 BC (10) - 482
    #36 Merrimack (8) - 466
    #43 UConn (5) - 423
    #52 UMass Lowell (6) - 305

    Here's a link to the list of Neutral Zone Scouts
    The large majority of them are former college and/or pro players, coaches, and team scouts.
    Incidently, former UNH All-American Sean Collins is an NZ Head Scout in the USA. There are many NZ scouts who cover Canada.
    Does it factor money into the equation? A 50% four star is much better than a full ride four star. The money part makes assessing recruits difficult because in a lot of cases you don't know exactly how much each player is getting.

    It seems to me the big difference between the Maine and UNH teams now versus the glory days is a lot of players now don't improve very much. There was a day both would get guys who would go 10-20-30-40 through their four years with a decent all around game. I'm not sure if kids don't work as hard now or if they get spread out to ECAC and Atlantic Hockey teams more. Hopefully in the next five years or so we're both relevant again.

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    Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    Does it factor money into the equation? A 50% four star is much better than a full ride four star. The money part makes assessing recruits difficult because in a lot of cases you don't know exactly how much each player is getting.

    It seems to me the big difference between the Maine and UNH teams now versus the glory days is a lot of players now don't improve very much. There was a day both would get guys who would go 10-20-30-40 through their four years with a decent all around game. I'm not sure if kids don't work as hard now or if they get spread out to ECAC and Atlantic Hockey teams more. Hopefully in the next five years or so we're both relevant again.
    Unless a player reveals his scholarship amount, and most don't, that information is usually not made public. By and large, I don't think the NZ scouts are privy to that information. My guess is most commits rated 4-stars or above receive either full or close to full scholarships.

    Each recruit in the NZ database are personally evaluated, in game situations, by one or more NZ scout at least once a year, and sometimes more frequently. The overall rating that NZ gives a recruit is a small portion of the assessment information they provide. The NZ site provides detailed, extensive information on the recruit's skills and areas for improvement.

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    Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

    Quote Originally Posted by NCAA watcher View Post
    Yes, but as a parent or supporter, even when you know the kid is screwed going into the exam, you have to encourage them rather than crush them going into the exam. We've haranged Mike enough about the refusal to study all year round. Now that the test is here, we should send him off to class with a "give it your best shot, you never know...." and wait for the report card to come in the mail.
    This. In the meantime, we can direct any blistering criticisms to Mike's current boss AND his future boss ...
    Montreal Expos Forever ...

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    Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck Murray View Post
    This. In the meantime, we can direct any blistering criticisms to Mike's current boss AND his future boss ...
    ...and who knows, maybe give Mike a break given his circumstances that he was placed in...just sayin'. The guy needs a chance. He has to get out from under years of the same old, same old....can't wait to see what he does!
    Let's Go 'Cats!

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    Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

    "Kohei Sato's Long Journey From Tokyo to UNH"
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    Re: UNH Commits & Recruiting: 2017 and Beyond

    Well at least UNH beat out University of Alaska Anchorage out for a recruit.

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