Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

[bakdraft21]

Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

No excuse for that hit,maybe the excitement of the game got to him??? As far as penalties and suspensions go,I dont know the rules,but it should be at least 2 games,and his coach may want to lay down some new rules as far as stuff like this is concerned.Hope the injured player gets back on the ice soon.And wow that was a 2 hander before that hit happened as well........Hope Calabrese is doing better.

[altazo]

Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.

[bakdraft21]

Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

Did you see the trainer nearly killed himself running out there?

I agree. That was a classic case of targeting/intent to injure. The initial slash was the proof for me. SP was coming down after stealing the puck in their own zone to try to put the game away on an empty netter, and it appears the Adrian player was going to have none of it ... at whatever cost.

WOW went back and took another look,that was a serious 2 hander,was the refs arm up for that before the hit?? Would not have made a difference anyway . The player didnt seem to upset about what he had done either,he also leads the team in PIM's,just say'in.

[bakdraft21]

Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.

That sucks and is no way to go out your senior yr.

[PSUChamps2001]

Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

WOW went back and took another look,that was a serious 2 hander,was the refs arm up for that before the hit?? Would not have made a difference anyway . The player didnt seem to upset about what he had done either,he also leads the team in PIM's,just say'in.

Per CHS.net there was no call for a slash. UWSP did receive a 2 minute bench minor, but if you ask me that's not enough. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but someone should have put that dude on his ***** IMO....

[Tom Coughlin]

Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

and his coach may want to lay down some new rules as far as stuff like this is concerned

I wouldn't hold your breath on this one.

[Hammer]

Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.

That's awful.

I've said all I can say about the situation in general. Last thing from me before I'm done with this: It has come to my attention that Connor Armour was almost in tears after hearing the severity of the injury on Grauer. Again, having gotten to know Connor over the last year and change, I believe it. I have no doubt that he's very sorry that he hurt the kid.

[XYZ]

If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.

This is correct. Just to add proper context, he had surgery the same night and will not be skating in another NCAA game.

[Sir Nubs]

That's awful.

I've said all I can say about the situation in general. Last thing from me before I'm done with this: It has come to my attention that Connor Armour was almost in tears after hearing the severity of the injury on Grauer. Again, having gotten to know Connor over the last year and change, I believe it. I have no doubt that he's very sorry that he hurt the kid.

This is a load of buncombe. Every hockey player knows what plays are potentially dangerous. He may be sorry Grauer got injured but he's likely not sorry he did it or he wouldn't have done it in the first place.

[NU Pastime]

He may be sorry Grauer got injured but he's likely not sorry he did it or he wouldn't have done it in the first place.

I'm sorry, but this logic doesn't make sense. Being sorry is a feeling of remorse for a mistake one committed. If one can't commit an intentional act that they later regret and feel sorry for then "remorse" and "regret" should be stricken from the English language.

Was it a dirty hit and is a suspension appropriate? Absolutely. But, I'll give the kid credit for feeling remorse and taking responsibility. People make mistakes, especially in the throes of competition. I'll save the character judgments knowing that I very well could have made the same mistake if I played hockey instead of baseball, which only allowed my regretful actions to escalate to the point of spiking helmets and yelling obscenities.

[Sir Nubs]

I'm sorry, but this logic doesn't make sense. Being sorry is a feeling of remorse for a mistake one committed. If one can't commit an intentional act that they later regret and feel sorry for then "remorse" and "regret" should be stricken from the English language.

Was it a dirty hit and is a suspension appropriate? Absolutely. But, I'll give the kid credit for feeling remorse and taking responsibility. People make mistakes, especially in the throes of competition. I'll save the character judgments knowing that I very well could have made the same mistake if I played hockey instead of baseball, which only allowed my regretful actions to escalate to the point of spiking helmets and yelling obscenities.

There's defendants in courts of law every day who say they're "sorry" after they've been caught and convicted. Words ring hollow at that point. If a two-handed slash on a breakaway doesn't speak to intent I don't know what does.

[joecct]

There's defendants in courts of law every day who say they're "sorry" after they've been caught and convicted. Words ring hollow at that point. If a two-handed slash on a breakaway doesn't speak to intent I don't know what does.

That was to stop a scoring attempt. The HFB was unnecessary and was penalized. I'm hoping the NCHA lays on supplemental discipline.

[Sir Nubs]

That was to stop a scoring attempt. The HFB was unnecessary and was penalized. I'm hoping the NCHA lays on supplemental discipline.

Certainly a hook or a trip wouldn't have slowed a guy on a scoring attempt. Why do that when a two handed slash and a reverse bow tie crosscheck into the boards will do. Intent is beyond obvious.

[NU Pastime]

Certainly a hook or a trip wouldn't have slowed a guy on a scoring attempt. Why do that when a two handed slash and a reverse bow tie crosscheck into the boards will do. Intent is beyond obvious.

No one is arguing intent. No one is arguing that there shouldn't be a severe punishment passed down. My only point was that just because you intended to commit an action in one moment doesn't mean that at a later moment, when emotions subside, you can't come to the realization that you were wrong and feel remorse for that action.

When I struck out in the ninth inning against Middlebury and yelled an f-bomb at the top of my lungs that the whole sporting complex heard, I fully intended to do so and thought I was justified in doing so given the level of competition. No one got hurt and I didn't face any punishment. But later on, after a discussion with my coach, I realized I had acted inappropriately and made myself look like a fool. Point being, one can (and should) feel genuine remorse for an action even if they intended to do that action and even if they have nothing to gain by doing so (like an acquital).

Point Being Part 2: In this case the Adrian player really messed up. But I'm not ready to anonymously demonize him on a message board because he made a mistake when Hammer, who personally knows him, vouches for his character.

[Sir Nubs]

No one is arguing intent. No one is arguing that there shouldn't be a severe punishment passed down. My only point was that just because you intended to commit an action in one moment doesn't mean that at a later moment, when emotions subside, you can't come to the realization that you were wrong and feel remorse for that action.

When I struck out in the ninth inning against Middlebury and yelled an f-bomb at the top of my lungs that the whole sporting complex heard, I fully intended to do so and thought I was justified in doing so given the level of competition. No one got hurt and I didn't face any punishment. But later on, after a discussion with my coach, I realized I had acted inappropriately and made myself look like a fool. Point being, one can (and should) feel genuine remorse for an action even if they intended to do that action and even if they have nothing to gain by doing so (like an acquital).

Point Being Part 2: In this case the Adrian player really messed up. But I'm not ready to anonymously demonize him on a message board because he made a mistake when Hammer, who personally knows him, vouches for his character.

And we should take Hammer's word for it why exactly? Because he posts a lot in here? Do you know him and many of the other posters in here to simply take their word for it? That said I'd be inclined to agree with you if this was simply a one-off incident with this program. It is not.