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    Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

    Is there video of what happened with Adrian-UW-Stevens Point?
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    Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    Is there video of what happened with Adrian-UW-Stevens Point?
    https://portal.stretchinternet.com/u...reamType=video

    Around the 2:35 mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Coughlin View Post
    That's a DQ. No question. That's what the rule is in place for.

    As for any intent to injure, I doubt it, especially in the last minute of a 1 goal game, and knowing Connor personally, like I do.

    Nevertheless, that hit is clearly over the line, and the call is warranted. I'll leave the rest for the conference.

    Again, I'm sorry that the kid got hurt. I'm obviously not privy to the extent of his injury, but I hope he's okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
    That's a DQ. No question. That's what the rule is in place for.

    As for any intent to injure, I doubt it, especially in the last minute of a 1 goal game, and knowing Connor personally, like I do.

    Nevertheless, that hit is clearly over the line, and the call is warranted. I'll leave the rest for the conference.

    Again, I'm sorry that the kid got hurt. I'm obviously not privy to the extent of his injury, but I hope he's okay.
    Yea no offense Hammer, but you might want to stop while you're ahead. That is one of the cheapest plays in hockey. That close/far from the boards. A stick to the back to knock you off balance. Nevermind the two handed woodsman hack that could have been called 5 seconds before. Sorry to say, but Cole Stallard just got a 2 game SUNYAC suspension for nothing nearly as CLOSE to that.

    The point people are making is, screw the conference, something like that is where the COACH needs to step in FIRST. THAT is how you earn respect as a coach/team. It is no secret what the general idea is of the Adrian program when it comes to discipline. Mistakes happen, intent to injure or not. If we are going to call ticky tack interference plays today, then I'm sorry...As a former reff, current coach, and parent....that's AT LEAST a couple more games.

    By the way, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWLmiay70rY this was given a 12 game suspension. Not too much different if you ask me. He clearly is chasing him down, clearly see's his name and number (for an eternity), as the player goes to the boards he puts his stick clear on his back, and shoves just a few feet from the boards. There is NO place for that in hockey, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    Yea no offense Hammer, but you might want to stop while you're ahead. That is one of the cheapest plays in hockey. That close/far from the boards. A stick to the back to knock you off balance. Nevermind the two handed woodsman hack that could have been called 5 seconds before. Sorry to say, but Cole Stallard just got a 2 game SUNYAC suspension for nothing nearly as CLOSE to that.

    The point people are making is, screw the conference, something like that is where the COACH needs to step in FIRST. THAT is how you earn respect as a coach/team. It is no secret what the general idea is of the Adrian program when it comes to discipline. Mistakes happen, intent to injure or not. If we are going to call ticky tack interference plays today, then I'm sorry...As a former reff, current coach, and parent....that's AT LEAST a couple more games.

    By the way, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWLmiay70rY this was given a 12 game suspension. Not too much different if you ask me. He clearly is chasing him down, clearly see's his name and number (for an eternity), as the player goes to the boards he puts his stick clear on his back, and shoves just a few feet from the boards. There is NO place for that in hockey, period.
    Did you see the trainer nearly killed himself running out there?

    I agree. That was a classic case of targeting/intent to injure. The initial slash was the proof for me. SP was coming down after stealing the puck in their own zone to try to put the game away on an empty netter, and it appears the Adrian player was going to have none of it ... at whatever cost.
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    Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

    No excuse for that hit,maybe the excitement of the game got to him??? As far as penalties and suspensions go,I dont know the rules,but it should be at least 2 games,and his coach may want to lay down some new rules as far as stuff like this is concerned.Hope the injured player gets back on the ice soon.And wow that was a 2 hander before that hit happened as well........Hope Calabrese is doing better.

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    Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

    If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.

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    Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    Did you see the trainer nearly killed himself running out there?

    I agree. That was a classic case of targeting/intent to injure. The initial slash was the proof for me. SP was coming down after stealing the puck in their own zone to try to put the game away on an empty netter, and it appears the Adrian player was going to have none of it ... at whatever cost.
    WOW went back and took another look,that was a serious 2 hander,was the refs arm up for that before the hit?? Would not have made a difference anyway . The player didnt seem to upset about what he had done either,he also leads the team in PIM's,just say'in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.
    That sucks and is no way to go out your senior yr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakdraft21 View Post
    WOW went back and took another look,that was a serious 2 hander,was the refs arm up for that before the hit?? Would not have made a difference anyway . The player didnt seem to upset about what he had done either,he also leads the team in PIM's,just say'in.
    Per CHS.net there was no call for a slash. UWSP did receive a 2 minute bench minor, but if you ask me that's not enough. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but someone should have put that dude on his ***** IMO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakdraft21 View Post
    and his coach may want to lay down some new rules as far as stuff like this is concerned
    I wouldn't hold your breath on this one.
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    Re: Games of 12/10:The team in the high Castle(ton}? Arby's and Genny! Ahhh!

    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.
    That's awful.

    I've said all I can say about the situation in general. Last thing from me before I'm done with this: It has come to my attention that Connor Armour was almost in tears after hearing the severity of the injury on Grauer. Again, having gotten to know Connor over the last year and change, I believe it. I have no doubt that he's very sorry that he hurt the kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by altazo View Post
    If the extent of his injury is as it has been described to me, Grauer has played his last NCAA game.
    This is correct. Just to add proper context, he had surgery the same night and will not be skating in another NCAA game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammer View Post
    That's awful.

    I've said all I can say about the situation in general. Last thing from me before I'm done with this: It has come to my attention that Connor Armour was almost in tears after hearing the severity of the injury on Grauer. Again, having gotten to know Connor over the last year and change, I believe it. I have no doubt that he's very sorry that he hurt the kid.
    This is a load of buncombe. Every hockey player knows what plays are potentially dangerous. He may be sorry Grauer got injured but he's likely not sorry he did it or he wouldn't have done it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Nubs View Post
    He may be sorry Grauer got injured but he's likely not sorry he did it or he wouldn't have done it in the first place.
    I'm sorry, but this logic doesn't make sense. Being sorry is a feeling of remorse for a mistake one committed. If one can't commit an intentional act that they later regret and feel sorry for then "remorse" and "regret" should be stricken from the English language.

    Was it a dirty hit and is a suspension appropriate? Absolutely. But, I'll give the kid credit for feeling remorse and taking responsibility. People make mistakes, especially in the throes of competition. I'll save the character judgments knowing that I very well could have made the same mistake if I played hockey instead of baseball, which only allowed my regretful actions to escalate to the point of spiking helmets and yelling obscenities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NU Pastime View Post
    I'm sorry, but this logic doesn't make sense. Being sorry is a feeling of remorse for a mistake one committed. If one can't commit an intentional act that they later regret and feel sorry for then "remorse" and "regret" should be stricken from the English language.

    Was it a dirty hit and is a suspension appropriate? Absolutely. But, I'll give the kid credit for feeling remorse and taking responsibility. People make mistakes, especially in the throes of competition. I'll save the character judgments knowing that I very well could have made the same mistake if I played hockey instead of baseball, which only allowed my regretful actions to escalate to the point of spiking helmets and yelling obscenities.
    There's defendants in courts of law every day who say they're "sorry" after they've been caught and convicted. Words ring hollow at that point. If a two-handed slash on a breakaway doesn't speak to intent I don't know what does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Nubs View Post
    There's defendants in courts of law every day who say they're "sorry" after they've been caught and convicted. Words ring hollow at that point. If a two-handed slash on a breakaway doesn't speak to intent I don't know what does.
    That was to stop a scoring attempt. The HFB was unnecessary and was penalized. I'm hoping the NCHA lays on supplemental discipline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    That was to stop a scoring attempt. The HFB was unnecessary and was penalized. I'm hoping the NCHA lays on supplemental discipline.
    Certainly a hook or a trip wouldn't have slowed a guy on a scoring attempt. Why do that when a two handed slash and a reverse bow tie crosscheck into the boards will do. Intent is beyond obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Nubs View Post
    Certainly a hook or a trip wouldn't have slowed a guy on a scoring attempt. Why do that when a two handed slash and a reverse bow tie crosscheck into the boards will do. Intent is beyond obvious.
    No one is arguing intent. No one is arguing that there shouldn't be a severe punishment passed down. My only point was that just because you intended to commit an action in one moment doesn't mean that at a later moment, when emotions subside, you can't come to the realization that you were wrong and feel remorse for that action.

    When I struck out in the ninth inning against Middlebury and yelled an f-bomb at the top of my lungs that the whole sporting complex heard, I fully intended to do so and thought I was justified in doing so given the level of competition. No one got hurt and I didn't face any punishment. But later on, after a discussion with my coach, I realized I had acted inappropriately and made myself look like a fool. Point being, one can (and should) feel genuine remorse for an action even if they intended to do that action and even if they have nothing to gain by doing so (like an acquital).

    Point Being Part 2: In this case the Adrian player really messed up. But I'm not ready to anonymously demonize him on a message board because he made a mistake when Hammer, who personally knows him, vouches for his character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NU Pastime View Post
    No one is arguing intent. No one is arguing that there shouldn't be a severe punishment passed down. My only point was that just because you intended to commit an action in one moment doesn't mean that at a later moment, when emotions subside, you can't come to the realization that you were wrong and feel remorse for that action.

    When I struck out in the ninth inning against Middlebury and yelled an f-bomb at the top of my lungs that the whole sporting complex heard, I fully intended to do so and thought I was justified in doing so given the level of competition. No one got hurt and I didn't face any punishment. But later on, after a discussion with my coach, I realized I had acted inappropriately and made myself look like a fool. Point being, one can (and should) feel genuine remorse for an action even if they intended to do that action and even if they have nothing to gain by doing so (like an acquital).

    Point Being Part 2: In this case the Adrian player really messed up. But I'm not ready to anonymously demonize him on a message board because he made a mistake when Hammer, who personally knows him, vouches for his character.
    And we should take Hammer's word for it why exactly? Because he posts a lot in here? Do you know him and many of the other posters in here to simply take their word for it? That said I'd be inclined to agree with you if this was simply a one-off incident with this program. It is not.

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