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  • #31
    Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

    Originally posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    How? How can you do this? If the WIAC (UWSP), NCHA (MSOE) and MIAC(Augsburg) have their Autobid (Pool B), UWRF takes a Pool C, Adrian takes a Pool C, and SNC takes a Pool C. You're going to have a lot more than 4 teams in one region. What if Buff State wins the SUNYAC and Adrian gets a Pool C and Buff St is ranked ahead of Adrian. But putting Conference restrictions Adrian couldn't go to Buff State? Regionals are an awesome idea IF there is no travel restrictions and we can arrange teams based on rank and not location.
    And yet you totally missed criticizing his concept of sending a second place team in the NCAA regionals to the Frozen Four. By far his most harebrained idea in his whole post.
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    • #32
      Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

      Originally posted by Sir Nubs View Post
      If exactly four western teams making the tournament, all of them getting guaranteed byes into the quarterfinals is a falsehood. If you remember when Magic Mike McShane was on The Committee, four western teams played down to one team going to the semifinals more than once. Recently the west has had three top teams so they get byes into the quarterfinals and the MIAC team comes along for the ride. No tournament in Division III is seeded top to bottom due to travel and flight limitations. Quite a few in Division I aren't either. See: Playoff, College Football.
      The D1 football playoffs aren't even run by the NCAA. So, try again...

      Not to mention, they were seeded one through four.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
        And yet you totally missed criticizing his concept of sending a second place team in the NCAA regionals to the Frozen Four. By far his most harebrained idea in his whole post.
        Oh no I saw it, but just like the Cowboys Vikings 2pt conversion game...his original rant of Conference Regionals (Vikings offsides non call), negates the rest of his argument from trying to be reasonable (contact to the head). Once he started with that it didn't need to go farther.

        In a perfect world the NCAA would allow 30+ games, 16 teams in the Tournament, fly who ever needs to be flown for regionals, bring back best of 3, and may the best team win.
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        • #34
          Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

          Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
          The D1 football playoffs aren't even run by the NCAA. So, try again...

          Not to mention, they were seeded one through four.
          You missed the point. The point was that outside of Alabama, you can argue the other three spots could be shifted around or that one or even two of the four teams in the tournament shouldn't even be in it. Very rarely do you get a bracket in any tournament everyone is happy with. The NFL is even worse. Anyhoo the fact remains you can't run a 12-team tournament without four teams getting a bye into the second round. There's no way the NCAA will ever run four pods of three teams just because that would make a less than ideal setup like we have now into a total logistical and competitive nightmare.

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          • #35
            Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

            Originally posted by Sir Nubs View Post
            There's no way the NCAA will ever run four pods of three teams just because that would make a less than ideal setup like we have now into a total logistical and competitive nightmare.
            The NCAA did run 4 pods of three teams in DI Hockey for years until they went to a 16 team tournament. Two regionals, each regional consisting of two pods. When the DI basketball tournament had 48 teams, they had 8 subregionals (or pre-regionals) set up with two pods of 3 teams in each group.

            DIII is a different animal altogether, however because of the travel restrictions. Unless there is no way to avoid it, nobody travels more than 500 miles for a first or second round match up. That is the over-riding concern about seeding the DIII hockey tournament.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Sir Nubs View Post
              You missed the point. The point was that outside of Alabama, you can argue the other three spots could be shifted around or that one or even two of the four teams in the tournament shouldn't even be in it. Very rarely do you get a bracket in any tournament everyone is happy with. The NFL is even worse. Anyhoo the fact remains you can't run a 12-team tournament without four teams getting a bye into the second round. There's no way the NCAA will ever run four pods of three teams just because that would make a less than ideal setup like we have now into a total logistical and competitive nightmare.

              3 regional tournaments of 4 teams (conference champs and pool C teams). The 3 winners go to Championship weekend and the final entry is, no doubt, a contender.

              The current format isn't bad either...but something new could build up excitement.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by walktheline View Post
                3 regional tournaments of 4 teams (conference champs and pool C teams). The 3 winners go to Championship weekend and the final entry is, no doubt, a contender.

                The current format isn't bad either...but something new could build up excitement.
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                • #38
                  Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

                  The concept of 4 pods of 3 would be at 4 sites on one weekend. Friday night would be Round 1 and the winner would play the host in the QF on Saturday.

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                  • #39
                    Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

                    Originally posted by joecct View Post
                    The concept of 4 pods of 3 would be at 4 sites on one weekend. Friday night would be Round 1 and the winner would play the host in the QF on Saturday.

                    What we really need are colleges that have low male enrollment in states bordering Lake Erie to sponsor hockey.

                    That's a pretty big advantage for the host - they don't have to play Friday so they are the rested team going against a team that played the night before.
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                    • #40
                      Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

                      Originally posted by Sir Nubs View Post
                      You missed the point. The point was that outside of Alabama, you can argue the other three spots could be shifted around or that one or even two of the four teams in the tournament shouldn't even be in it. Very rarely do you get a bracket in any tournament everyone is happy with. The NFL is even worse. Anyhoo the fact remains you can't run a 12-team tournament without four teams getting a bye into the second round. There's no way the NCAA will ever run four pods of three teams just because that would make a less than ideal setup like we have now into a total logistical and competitive nightmare.
                      The NFL is entertainment first, sport second, like any professional sport. Don't ever forget that.

                      And the only pods I know about are pea pods. And I don't like peas...
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                      • #41
                        Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

                        Originally posted by walktheline View Post
                        3 regional tournaments of 4 teams (conference champs and pool C teams). The 3 winners go to Championship weekend and the final entry is, no doubt, a contender.
                        Just how the heck are you going to pick the final entry for the frozen four when no one can ever agree who the 12 teams should be in the first place?

                        And, can you imagine the Fish's head exploding when that choice is made?! We would all be cleaning up goo for weeks...
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
                          Just how the heck are you going to pick the final entry for the frozen four when no one can ever agree who the 12 teams should be in the first place?

                          And, can you imagine the Fish's head exploding when that choice is made?! We would all be cleaning up goo for weeks...
                          Simple: the NC$$ would make it the loser of the highest-attended QF game, possibly using the schools' distance from the Championship Site as a tiebreaker if the numbers are within a certain margin.
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                          • #43
                            Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

                            Originally posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
                            Simple: the NC$$ would make it the loser of the highest-attended QF game, possibly using the schools' distance from the Championship Site as a tiebreaker if the numbers are within a certain margin.
                            Finally, someone is talking logically!
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                            • #44
                              Re: NCAA Tournament - 12 Teams in 2016-17

                              Originally posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
                              Simple: the NC$$ would make it the loser of the highest-attended QF game, possibly using the schools' distance from the Championship Site as a tiebreaker if the numbers are within a certain margin.
                              Nah, it would just go by the distance from the site. That would help boost attendance, and if the selected team was within 500 miles do the always important job of saving a flight. But they'd first have a committee meeting with leaked extra criteria followed by the decision. The alternative would be to make it a Frozen Three if there is no loser within 500 miles.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by XYZ View Post
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