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    Quote Originally Posted by Brenthoven View Post
    My company has a strict policy of no freebies, just to avoid the appearance of preference. A box of donuts? Nope. Can't take 'em. Do I find it silly at times? Yes. Do I understand? Yes.
    We can accept gifts, but there is a dollar limit set by the company. If you're caught exceeding that limit, bye-bye, Birdy.
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    Meh. If your company doesn't trust you with a box of doughnuts...

    Company policy says you can accept anything of nominal value. You can't accept cash or cash equivalents.

    I don't think there's a single engineer at work who has used a more expensive vendor, a sketchy technology, or anything like that because they got a free lunch or even a ticket to a Wild game.

    That you can't have a doughnut speaks more to what your company thinks of you than what your company thinks of ethics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    We can accept gifts, but there is a dollar limit set by the company. If you're caught exceeding that limit, bye-bye, Birdy.
    We don't even have a dollar amount. It's just "nominal".

    At my old job, we didn't have **** for rules. Someone backup a dump truck full of gold bullion on your driveway? "**** it. Give them business. What do we care?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    Meh. If your company doesn't trust you with a box of doughnuts...

    Company policy says you can accept anything of nominal value. You can't accept cash or cash equivalents.

    I don't think there's a single engineer at work who has used a more expensive vendor, a sketchy technology, or anything like that because they got a free lunch or even a ticket to a Wild game.

    That you can't have a doughnut speaks more to what your company thinks of you than what your company thinks of ethics.
    I think my company covers all their bases.

    Now, there IS unofficial what-have-yous. The nominal "I am just gonna leave this here," or "Oh, I forgot this." Officially, my company does what it "needs" to do. I get that. Granted, this happens more at the off-site building where I work, rather than the main building. Less eyes that are all RULEZ!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    On a slightly lesser scale is the college textbook racket.

    Professor writes a textbook. Uses textbook in his class. Gets royalties from the sales of his textbook.
    Why is that a racket? I know a guy who wrote the book for both law classes he taught he wasnt exactly making bank on it. (and it made it to 7th edition before I took the class and he still teaches)

    The racket is how much the book store charges for books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Why is that a racket? I know a guy who wrote the book for both law classes he taught he wasnt exactly making bank on it. (and it made it to 7th edition before I took the class and he still teaches)

    The racket is how much the book store charges for books.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I'll add my $0.02 here. I'm an engineer at a fairly large company. We get taken out to lunch and the occasional sporting event by our vendors. It doesn't truly affect my opinion of the vendor.

    More often than not the vendor will use the time to talk about new products and technologies they have to offer. We will take those technologies back to work, we'll discuss them and weigh the pros and cons.

    If the technology makes sense, we'll give it a shot. We'll get feedback and determine if we want to make it standardized equipment. If we see major problems with equipment, whether it's a new technology or something we've been using for ten years, we'll have no issues dumping it.

    The lunches are just a nice 'thank you' for the business. If you let that cloud your judgment, then yes, it's probably a bad idea to accept them. But if you do a critical and fair evaluation of the new drug or equipment, there is no problem with accepting a lunch here and there.
    It clouds your judgement whether you know it or not. I am not saying it is the worst thing in the world but it is advantageous for the company buying the lunch, otherwise they would not be paying for it. I do not think that taking a lunch here or there is a huge problem, but I would disagree that it has no effect.

    An example from my work: We were given a lecture from a pharmaceutical company promoting a medication for restless leg syndrome. The presentation fell for all of the classic problems of drug company funded studies and the way you can design a study to get positive results(in fact, I use that lecture to teach medical students about evidence based medicine and pharmaceutical company bias). Basically, the medication did not perform better than first line therapy but after hearing the lecture, I now know about the medication. I will clearly prescribe the older, cheaper drugs with similar side effect profiles but if I had a resistant patient who was suffering I may be tempted to try this medication even though the evidence did not show it to be more effective. Despite my best efforts, I now know this drug exists and may use it and this is only because of lunch talk. The better way to learn about new drugs is trials in independent, rigorous peer-reviewed journals, or by guidelines from your specialty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    On a slightly lesser scale is the college textbook racket.

    Professor writes a textbook. Uses textbook in his class. Gets royalties from the sales of his textbook.
    Flip side of that - I had a finance prof who actually gave his textbook away. He was a brilliant instructor to boot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinWildcard View Post
    It clouds your judgement whether you know it or not. I am not saying it is the worst thing in the world but it is advantageous for the company buying the lunch, otherwise they would not be paying for it. I do not think that taking a lunch here or there is a huge problem, but I would disagree that it has no effect.

    An example from my work: We were given a lecture from a pharmaceutical company promoting a medication for restless leg syndrome. The presentation fell for all of the classic problems of drug company funded studies and the way you can design a study to get positive results(in fact, I use that lecture to teach medical students about evidence based medicine and pharmaceutical company bias). Basically, the medication did not perform better than first line therapy but after hearing the lecture, I now know about the medication. I will clearly prescribe the older, cheaper drugs with similar side effect profiles but if I had a resistant patient who was suffering I may be tempted to try this medication even though the evidence did not show it to be more effective. Despite my best efforts, I now know this drug exists and may use it and this is only because of lunch talk. The better way to learn about new drugs is trials in independent, rigorous peer-reviewed journals, or by guidelines from your specialty.
    Maybe, maybe not. We've dumped vendors that used to take us out at least once every other month. If the equipment doesn't perform, adios.

    It's up to you to decide what's right for your patients. It's no different either the decision we make every day. If I specify the wrong equipment, I could kill people. And it's not like these are uncommon decisions either. We make these decisions daily.

    It's incumbent on us to remove the perks like lunches from the equation and make the decision based on the facts. If you can't do that, then yes, not taking doughnuts or lunches is probably the best choice.

    If you prescribe a drug or specify equipment without doing an exhaustive investigative effort on your own, then shame on you. I do it every time regardless of relationship because I take take my responsibility personally (which shouldn't be taken to mean you don't).

    I'd put my ethical record up against anyone in the organization and industry.


    ETA: which isn't to say I am infallible.
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    He Seems Nice

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    Oh yeah I didnt even think about the link being censored...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handyman View Post
    Why is that a racket? I know a guy who wrote the book for both law classes he taught he wasnt exactly making bank on it. (and it made it to 7th edition before I took the class and he still teaches)

    The racket is how much the book store charges for books.
    As a teacher of a fairly obscure subject, if there wasn't already an amazing book written that fits perfectly into my class I would have written it myself. Not to make money but because it meets exactly what I need/want to teach in the class.

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    I wouldn't doubt if Jr. Sandusky had this stuff done to him by Daddy Sandusky and is simply looping the cycle at this point. It's horrible regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Clown View Post
    I wouldn't doubt if Jr. Sandusky had this stuff done to him by Daddy Sandusky and is simply looping the cycle at this point. It's horrible regardless.
    Just like domestic violence. Son watches daddy hit the kids or the wife, grows up to be just like him.
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