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    Having never been to a Utica Teddy Bear toss I don't want to automatically loop them in to this, but I went to the Syracuse Crunch one this year and was kind of disappointed. I remember years ago (and maybe still do) Plattsburgh would do a can/toy donation for $$ off admission. Cool. I go to the Crunch Teddy Bear toss and see Crunch workers taking stuffed animals out of large garbage bags and placing them in every seat of the lower bowl. Who ever donated them, cool, hats off. But what ever happened to people just doing this (bringing stuff in for the needy) just to do it? Looks great on TV but when you see stuffed animals being placed in seats hours before the gates open (we had a youth tournament so we had free reign of the building for the most part) it kind of takes away from the overall good nature thought behind it. Again, this might now be the case in Utica, but saw it first hand in Syracuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    Having never been to a Utica Teddy Bear toss I don't want to automatically loop them in to this, but I went to the Syracuse Crunch one this year and was kind of disappointed. I remember years ago (and maybe still do) Plattsburgh would do a can/toy donation for $$ off admission. Cool. I go to the Crunch Teddy Bear toss and see Crunch workers taking stuffed animals out of large garbage bags and placing them in every seat of the lower bowl. Who ever donated them, cool, hats off. But what ever happened to people just doing this (bringing stuff in for the needy) just to do it? Looks great on TV but when you see stuffed animals being placed in seats hours before the gates open (we had a youth tournament so we had free reign of the building for the most part) it kind of takes away from the overall good nature thought behind it. Again, this might now be the case in Utica, but saw it first hand in Syracuse.
    I was at UVM's Teddy Bear Toss this year. A bit underwhelming visually, but some people brought large plastic bags full of teddy bears (and some just threw the entire bag over the glass all at once, which looked stupid)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSUChamps2001 View Post
    Having never been to a Utica Teddy Bear toss I don't want to automatically loop them in to this, but I went to the Syracuse Crunch one this year and was kind of disappointed. I remember years ago (and maybe still do) Plattsburgh would do a can/toy donation for $$ off admission. Cool. I go to the Crunch Teddy Bear toss and see Crunch workers taking stuffed animals out of large garbage bags and placing them in every seat of the lower bowl. Who ever donated them, cool, hats off. But what ever happened to people just doing this (bringing stuff in for the needy) just to do it? Looks great on TV but when you see stuffed animals being placed in seats hours before the gates open (we had a youth tournament so we had free reign of the building for the most part) it kind of takes away from the overall good nature thought behind it. Again, this might now be the case in Utica, but saw it first hand in Syracuse.
    Utica fans bring their own stuffed animals to toss, they are not provided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Unless the MAC forms, the UCHC is in good shape to have the autobid in 2018-19.

    As of right now the UCHC looks like this in 2018-19:

    Neumann
    Elmira
    Utica
    Hobart
    Nazareth
    Chatham

    MAC Teams:
    Manhattanville
    Lebanon Valley
    Wilkes
    Kings
    Stevenson

    So for the UCHC to lose the autobid for 2018-19, they would have to lose five teams. I don't see the MAC teams leaving unless they have one or two others schools for an autobid. Technically they could take Neumann and Chatham as Associate members for their seven.
    This won't last until 2018-19. Hell, we'll be lucky if it lasts until the end of this season. Which we won't be.
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    Great to hear! What year is his favorite?
    2016 because of the way the play-by-play guy exclaims "and here come the bears!" He's also partial to the penalty shot goal that caused the 2015 avalanche!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Unless the MAC forms, the UCHC is in good shape to have the autobid in 2018-19.

    As of right now the UCHC looks like this in 2018-19:

    Neumann
    Elmira
    Utica
    Hobart
    Nazareth
    Chatham

    MAC Teams:
    Manhattanville
    Lebanon Valley
    Wilkes
    Kings
    Stevenson

    So for the UCHC to lose the autobid for 2018-19, they would have to lose five four teams. I don't see the MAC teams leaving unless they have one or two others schools for an autobid. Technically they could take Neumann and Chatham as Associate members for their seven.
    Things change fast in the world of athletic alliances. It seems odd for Hobart to be in the "New England" Hockey Conference, but that's what's happening. Don't count your RITs until they hatch.
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    All this conference stuff is making my head spin haha. Couldn't even stomach that Naz game on Friday, I stopped watching, which is rare for me. I usually watch until the end no matter what, but that was just mind boggling. Seems to be the trend lately eh? Potsdam game started slow but I feel that the 2nd half of the 2nd period and the 3rd period were the best they've played in a while. Good to see Derlago getting some good goals, can use any help we can get scoring wise. Noticed a few lineup changes on Saturday which is good, can't be afraid to shake things up. Good to see Bartell and Schultz back on the ice, been too long for both of them. I may be partial to Bartell for being a hometown kid haha. And as far as the coaching goes, I'm waiting to see how the end of the year goes. Toss up either way in my opinion, college can't be afraid to make moves if they have to. Team before ego, enough said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    Neumann
    Elmira
    Utica
    Nazareth
    Chatham

    MAC Teams:
    Manhattanville
    Lebanon Valley
    Wilkes
    Kings
    Stevenson
    One of these teams will be getting the auto bid.

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    I certainly have no idea as to what extent the possibility of getting a conference AQ figures-into all this apparent gerrymandering, but I'm inclined to consider that motive as a significant factor.

    Let's do some fair redistricting... Forget about conference-affiliations, and select the NCAA field on the basis of statistical merit alone. AQ's -which ignore the RS and are gained solely on the basis of the silly weekend tournament "championships"- tend to drive the bus away from equity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman'81 View Post
    I certainly have no idea as to what extent the possibility of getting a conference AQ figures-into all this apparent gerrymandering, but I'm inclined to consider that motive as a significant factor.

    Let's do some fair redistricting... Forget about conference-affiliations, and select the NCAA field on the basis of statistical merit alone. AQ's -which ignore the RS and are gained solely on the basis of the silly weekend tournament "championships"- tend to drive the bus away from equity.
    How many times do you have to be told that the hockey tournament is seeded and populated according the same rules the NCAA uses for every other sport. Your proposal can't work because the NCAA does not allow different sports to use different procedures.
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    How many times do you have to be told that the hockey tournament is seeded and populated according the same rules the NCAA uses for every other sport. Your proposal can't work because the NCAA does not allow different sports to use different procedures.
    And how many times do you need to consider that none of that dogma carries any intrinsic weight, or is somehow immutable..? I suppose you're a fan of the Electoral College, too?

    A dumb convention has no merit simply on the basis of its longevity. End of story.
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    And how many times do you need to consider that none of that dogma carries any intrinsic weight, or is somehow immutable..? I suppose you're a fan of the Electoral College, too?

    A dumb convention has no merit simply on the basis of its longevity. End of story.
    The point is that the NCAA would have to approve a change, and that won't happen. Since it's the NCAA's party, they get to plan it no matter how much we dislike it. A more likely change would be to make the selection process for the at large bids transparent and consistent from year to year. Then teams would know where they stood instead of being surprised by the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    The point is that the NCAA would have to approve a change, and that won't happen. Since it's the NCAA's party, they get to plan it no matter how much we dislike it. A more likely change would be to make the selection process for the at large bids transparent and consistent from year to year. Then teams would know where they stood instead of being surprised by the outcome.
    But teams being surprised creates suspense that drives people to watch the terribly-produced reveal shows they broadcast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CARDS_rule_the_Burgh View Post
    But teams being surprised creates suspense that drives people to watch the terribly-produced reveal shows they broadcast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    The point is that the NCAA would have to approve a change, and that won't happen. Since it's the NCAA's party, they get to plan it no matter how much we dislike it. A more likely change would be to make the selection process for the at large bids transparent and consistent from year to year. Then teams would know where they stood instead of being surprised by the outcome.
    I have to admit that the AL bids have been pretty well-awarded over the past few years... IIRC, they have mirrored the KRACH, and that works for me.

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    I have to admit that the AL bids have been pretty well-awarded over the past few years... IIRC, they have mirrored the KRACH, and that works for me.
    I have doubts about the Bradley-Terry metric (which is what it should be called - this guy "Ken" stole it and named it after himself), but be that as it may, teams should have knowledge going into the playoffs what the committee is going to do ahead of time. The metric shouldn't be fungible. According to the D3 handbook, the weights are whatever the committee want them to be. A process should be transparent. If that's what they want to use, fine - tell everybody ahead of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUProf View Post
    I have doubts about the Bradley-Terry metric (which is what it should be called - this guy "Ken" stole it and named it after himself), but be that as it may, teams should have knowledge going into the playoffs what the committee is going to do ahead of time. The metric shouldn't be fungible. According to the D3 handbook, the weights are whatever the committee want them to be. A process should be transparent. If that's what they want to use, fine - tell everybody ahead of time.
    Couldn't agree more with the general tone of your post, but...

    No statistical model is perfect -the KRACH/BTM included- yet it's certainly transparent in its methodology. (In contrast, I seem to recall a dubious construct that I used to see on d-3.com that was hopelessly opaque.)

    Until I see something better, I'm on board with using the KRACH as a unofficial guide to selecting the AL bids, which *seems* to be happening.
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    (Utica 5, Neumann 4.)

    The stream was a bit fuzzy, but it was free , and the game was a dog-fight. Very entertaining.

    Possibly a key win for UC. Virtanen's numbers probably don't reflect how well he played. He staved-off a frenzied onslaught by NC in the early 3rd, and that was absolutely the ball game. And, for the most part, Heenan had his forwards playing to win tonight.

    It'll take a near-perfect set of results from here on out to elevate Utica to within a shout of an NCAA bid, but this was a start. At least a point at M'ville tomorrow, win the other not-so-daunting road games after that, and upset Hobart at The Aud..?

    Could happen!

    PS: Another big road win at M'ville followed the above. Utica is making it a little more interesting...
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    I haven't seen them play yet this year, might want to come over to see Hobart. Will it be sold out, can I walk up and get in at gametime ?
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