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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrum Bucket View Post
    I didn't like the hit, but 5 seemed like a stretch.
    I think Deman's view is right. It's a call that's gonna and should be called. At any rate, being called at 19:14 does it make much difference if it was 2 or 5 minutes?

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    After tonite's game and effort, methinks this team is getting better.

    Let the Damon Whitten apologists begin the excuses for yet another off season and year, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LakerBaker View Post
    After tonite's game and effort, methinks this team is getting better.

    Let the Damon Whitten apologists begin the excuses for yet another off season and year, man.

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    Yes the team has gotten better. Mel Pearson had 19 losses in his 3rd season at Tech which is more than Whitten's 18. Bergeron had 21 losses in his 3rd season at BGSU. Damon can't just wave a magic wand and speed up the rebuild. Look at the time it took Anzalone/Roque to go though the last rebuild.

    Stating facts and not "fake news".
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    Re: LSSU Lakers 2016-17

    It's about that time to start the off-season thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LSSULaker889294 View Post
    2014-15- 28 losses
    2015-16- 22 losses
    2016-17- 18 losses

    Yes the team has gotten better. Mel Pearson had 19 losses in his 3rd season at Tech which is more than Whitten's 18. Bergeron had 21 losses in his 3rd season at BGSU. Damon can't just wave a magic wand and speed up the rebuild. Look at the time it took Anzalone/Roque to go though the last rebuild.

    Stating facts and not "fake news".
    Enter exhibit B your honor.

    11-18-7 winning 6 of their final 31 games, getting embarrassed this weekend according to Bill Crawford. But hey that's getting better according to the coaches chums on here, and I'm sure next year will be much better.

    Methinks the facts get in the way of your blind loyalty and devotion to Damon Whitten, man. The good news is you are now the #1 contender for the 2017-18 lead apologist for this administration. Should be quite the battle there.

    On and off the ice, it will remain exactly the same if now worse for a head coach that is simply in over his head and has never been a part of a winning program with him behind the bench, ever.

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    Embarrassment . The problem was not that MI Tech was so good this weekend. The problem was that Lake State was so awful . After a year of playing together as a team ,the best this program could do was embarrass itself . Lose 4-2 or 5-3 or 2-1 but not 8-0 . Was the team even prepared to play or was that just a fantasy thinking they were .

    Oh yea, there is always next year .

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSSULaker889294 View Post
    Bergeron had 21 losses in his 3rd season at BGSU.
    He made it to the CCHA quarterfinals that year as the #9 seed beating #8 LSSU in the first round in 3 games (2-0, 3-6, 0-7) before being swept by the eventual CCHA tourney champ ND (1-0, 4-3). In his 7 seasons at BG he has never failed to win a first round playoff series, even with those early "talent-challenged" teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LakerBaker View Post
    Enter exhibit B your honor.

    11-18-7 winning 6 of their final 31 games, getting embarrassed this weekend according to Bill Crawford. But hey that's getting better according to the coaches chums on here, and I'm sure next year will be much better.

    Methinks the facts get in the way of your blind loyalty and devotion to Damon Whitten, man. The good news is you are now the #1 contender for the 2017-18 lead apologist for this administration. Should be quite the battle there.

    On and off the ice, it will remain exactly the same if now worse for a head coach that is simply in over his head and has never been a part of a winning program with him behind the bench, ever.

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    There is no credible defense of the Lakers' 2nd half collapse but Randy, you have to admit that there has been some progress year over year. Next season will be the tell all year. The team will totally belong to Whitten and so will the results. I am sure we will see further improvement and this late season collapse will be thoroughly looked at and addressed. The real question though is what does the program and school do if there is no improvement and not a success? Do they cut Whitten lose and to what end? Can another coach do better? Does the lack of success in reality reflect on the lack of resources afflicting the program and if so (and I do believe that this is the case) what can be done about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnacc View Post
    There is no credible defense of the Lakers' 2nd half collapse but Randy, you have to admit that there has been some progress year over year. Next season will be the tell all year. The team will totally belong to Whitten and so will the results. I am sure we will see further improvement and this late season collapse will be thoroughly looked at and addressed. The real question though is what does the program and school do if there is no improvement and not a success? Do they cut Whitten lose and to what end? Can another coach do better? Does the lack of success in reality reflect on the lack of resources afflicting the program and if so (and I do believe that this is the case) what can be done about it?
    Strike "Damon Whitten" and replace "Mike Corbett" and you have nearly the exact same issues save changes in latitude and academic standing.

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    The Whitten resume

    '05-'06: 6-23-6
    '06-'07: 13-21-3
    '07-'08: 7-21-8
    '10-'11: 4-30-4
    '11-'12: 16-19-4
    '12-'13: 8-16-4
    '13-'14: 12-11-5
    '14-'15: 8-28-2
    '15-'16: 14-22-5
    '16-'17: 11-18-7
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmorris View Post
    Strike "Damon Whitten" and replace "Mike Corbett" and you have nearly the exact same issues save changes in latitude and academic standing.

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    Exactly, so what would changing coaches do to improve performance if the real culprit is lack of financing? I think Whitten is a good coach and I really enjoy the Lakers uptempo game compared to how they played under Jim Roque but the pudding is in the results and next year will be a pivotal year for both the coaching staff and the program.

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    You can't cut Whitten loose for at least 8-9 years of coaching under his belt there. Crawford talked all season long on how other teams were so much stronger than Lake State and that is easy to fix. Get into the weight room and put on muscle. It's not hard to build strength and muscle. It just takes time and a desire to . Recruit better speed as we all know, speed kills. The team didn't seem to play well together at times and that has to be figured out why. Do something with the defense . Go back to hockey 101 if you have to and re-teach the defense how to play a good solid defense and defend their zone better. The team has talent but it got lost for some reason and they have to figure that out as well .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnacc View Post
    Exactly, so what would changing coaches do to improve performance if the real culprit is lack of financing? I think Whitten is a good coach and I really enjoy the Lakers uptempo game compared to how they played under Jim Roque but the pudding is in the results and next year will be a pivotal year for both the coaching staff and the program.
    LSSU was never as far down as UAH was (and you can be thankful for that), but the big problem is that jumping out of the bottom 6th of D-I is a tough task. People think that our weather and girls will help us recruit, but we aren't getting top-flight talent. It takes time and money, especially in recruiting budgets for your coaches to get eyes on more players and find a kid that's been overlooked (maybe on a bad team) or isn't getting much time on a good one — an undersized guy, a late-bloomer, what-have-you. I mean, the Kalble pickup looks like a great get for the Lakers, but he was the last Fargo player to get on a D-I commit list and will be 20 when the season starts. He's the second-highest D scorer on a team that gets all their points up front.

    Please don't think that I'm dogging on your program, because right now, Lake Superior is better than Alabama-Huntsville. It's just a tough spot to be in. At least LSSU has the three national titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sm2pk View Post
    You can't cut Whitten lose for at least 8-9 years of coaching under his belt there. Crawford talked all season long on how other teams were so much stronger than Lake State and that is easy to fix. Get into the weight room and put on muscle. It's not hard to build strength and muscle. It just takes time and a desire to . Recruit better speed as we all know, speed kills. The team didn't seem to play well together at times and that has to be figured out why. Do something with the defense . Go back to hockey 101 if you have to and re-teach the defense how to play a good solid defense and defend their zone better. The team has talent but it got lost for some reason and they have to figure that out as well .
    Takes longer than 4 years to build a program. Hard to get better guys to commit or even answer your call. Do need to take account other things, ie team morale improving? Over all better play? Guys developing is key.

    My guess Whitten learned a lot from what was going on at Tech and what needs to be done. Takes time and financial backing

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmorris View Post
    LSSU was never as far down as UAH was (and you can be thankful for that), but the big problem is that jumping out of the bottom 6th of D-I is a tough task. People think that our weather and girls will help us recruit, but we aren't getting top-flight talent. It takes time and money, especially in recruiting budgets for your coaches to get eyes on more players and find a kid that's been overlooked (maybe on a bad team) or isn't getting much time on a good one an undersized guy, a late-bloomer, what-have-you. I mean, the Kalble pickup looks like a great get for the Lakers, but he was the last Fargo player to get on a D-I commit list and will be 20 when the season starts. He's the second-highest D scorer on a team that gets all their points up front.

    Please don't think that I'm dogging on your program, because right now, Lake Superior is better than Alabama-Huntsville. It's just a tough spot to be in. At least LSSU has the three national titles.

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    Your honest input is always welcome Geof. The Lakers may not have been as low as Huntsville but Damon pretty much imploded the program his first year and he needed to or it would have taken even longer for it to turn around.

    I think trying to keep players is going to be key. Hockey Inc needs to get up here to Lake State and educate these underclassmen.

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    I think trying to keep players is going to be key. Hockey Inc needs to get up here to Lake State and educate these underclassmen.
    The best thing that could happen is for Headrick to crater in the O and show any current and future Lakers that they're better off in the NCAA. As for departures, that's probably going to be an issue for the weaker teams in our league for some time to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfmorris View Post
    The best thing that could happen is for Headrick to crater in the O and show any current and future Lakers that they're better off in the NCAA. As for departures, that's probably going to be an issue for the weaker teams in our league for some time to come.

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    Wishing ill will on a great kid, all to protect this head coach who is in over his head and has never won, anywhere.

    That's sick, man.

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    Wishing ill will on a great kid, all to protect this head coach who is in over his head and has never won, anywhere.

    That's sick, man.
    We all wish Owen the best but most of us think he made the wrong decision in leaving the program when he did. Now if he does get drafted and makes it to the NHL, then great it worked out well for him but honestly Randy, do you think that's possible? He hasn't been lighting it up in Erie. Primarily known as an offensive defenseman who can run a PP, he only has 5 pts in 20 games for the Otters. That .25 pts a game is much lower than the .63 ppg he was averaging playing for the Lakers this year and he now is playing against weaker and younger competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnacc View Post
    We all wish Owen the best but most of us think he made the wrong decision in leaving the program when he did. Now if he does get drafted and makes it to the NHL, then great it worked out well for him but honestly Randy, do you think that's possible? He hasn't been lighting it up in Erie. Primarily known as an offensive defenseman who can run a PP, he only has 5 pts in 20 games for the Otters. That .25 pts a game is much lower than the .63 ppg he was averaging playing for the Lakers this year and he now is playing against weaker and younger competition.
    And when a kid leaves your program, you have to look out for yourselves going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LakerBaker View Post
    Wishing ill will on a great kid, all to protect this head coach who is in over his head and has never won, anywhere.

    That's sick, man.
    Quick, name all the coaches that left LSSU with a winning record since Jeff Jackson left? Even JJ has said it would be very difficult at LSSU now. Do we fund the program more like NMU, Huntsville & Anchorage or like Tech, Mankato, Bowling Green & Bemidji? If the answer is the former!and it is), why would we expect more than a very occasional sniff at 5th or 6th? Why, with a less than NMU budget for travel, recruiting, coaches, player amenities would we expect the team to be with the programs that spend twice as much recruiting as we do. You don't get a Lexus when you go to the car lot and pay for that beater Chevy on the back row. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool.

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