DEAD!! All right, who died now?

[The Rube]

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I don't really care any way, but IMO, most of the Cubans in Miami are Americans.

I really don't care, either. If someone wants to celebrate a death, go ahead. It's their right.

[St. Clown]

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Well, are we talking Cubans that are here as refugees, illegals, or Cuban-Americans that are legal citizens of USA? Furthermore, how about anti-Communist Americans?

Enquiring minds want to know!

Are there any illegal Cubans in the US? All that had come to us up to a certain point had requested political asylum and eventually obtain citizenship. Have any Cubans made their way here since we've opened relations with Cuba? Technically, they're still under the same rule of the Castro regime, and some say Raul is even more ruthless than Fidel ever was. Would we still grant them political asylum now that relations have been reopened?

[The Rube]

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Are there any illegal Cubans in the US? All that had come to us up to a certain point had requested political asylum and eventually obtain citizenship. Have any Cubans made their way here since we've opened relations with Cuba? Technically, they're still under the same rule of the Castro regime, and some say Raul is even more ruthless than Fidel ever was. Would we still grant them political asylum now that relations have been reopened?

I honestly don't know for sure. I would take an educated guess that some arrived via boat and snuck in, just looking at it from an odds standpoint.

[St. Clown]

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I honestly don't know for sure. I would take an educated guess that some arrived via boat and snuck in, just looking at it from an odds standpoint.

But why sneak in when all were essentially welcomed and they clearly knew it? Of course, we had to put on a show while their rafts were still at sea, but once they made it to shore they were taken in without issue. Except for Elian Gonzalez, of course. We deported the kid.

[The Rube]

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But why sneak in when all were essentially welcomed and they clearly knew it? Of course, we had to put on a show while their rafts were still at sea, but once they made it to shore they were taken in without issue. Except for Elian Gonzalez, of course. We deported the kid.

They didn't know any better? Being serious, not mocking or sarcastic.

[dxmnkd316]

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So clear it up - who are you seeing that is celebrating? Cubans or Americans?

Big difference, IMO.

I saw Americans in Miami celebrating, who may or may not have been former Cubans or are some generations removed from being off the boat. Either way, it doesn't matter.

[Slap Shot]

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I saw Americans in Miami celebrating, who may or may not have been former Cubans or are some generations removed from being off the boat. Either way, it doesn't matter.

Actually I think it does. If 'your' parents for instance suffered mightily under the rule of Castro, if your cousin disappeared, your sister was tortured, your grandfather wrongfully imprisoned....

There's a significant Cuban community in Miami (obviously you know that so not trying to condescend) and for many people like that I'm not sure I take issue. If it's just random Joe Public joining in than yeah, why are you celebrating?

[bigmrg74]

Re: DEAD!! All right, who died now?

Ron Glass, aka Shepard Book from Firefly, 71

take my love
take my land
take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
you can't take the sky from me

take me out
to the black tell 'em I ain't coming back
burn the land
and boil the sea
you can't take the sky from me

have no place
I can be
since I found Serenity
but you can't take the sky from me

[dxmnkd316]

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Actually I think it does. If 'your' parents for instance suffered mightily under the rule of Castro, if your cousin disappeared, your sister was tortured, your grandfather wrongfully imprisoned....

There's a significant Cuban community in Miami (obviously you know that so not trying to condescend) and for many people like that I'm not sure I take issue. If it's just random Joe Public joining in than yeah, why are you celebrating?

I get that and it's fair enough. For me personally, I just couldn't celebrate another person's death. I would celebrate the end of a brutal regime, but that's not what's happening here. Not entirely. His brother is still in power and we're slowly normalizing relations.

[Hammer]

I get that and it's fair enough. For me personally, I just couldn't celebrate another person's death. I would celebrate the end of a brutal regime, but that's not what's happening here. Not entirely. His brother is still in power and we're slowly normalizing relations.

Keep in mind that Raul is 85 now, too. It's not going to be a long wait before he shows up in a DEAD!!! thread. I mean, I can't imagine that he's got more than 5-7 years left. It will be very interesting to see what happens in Cuba after he goes.

[goldy_331]

The twitter responses to Trudeau's moronic eulogy to Castro are hilarious.

[solovsfett]

I've got to say, the actual celebrating I'm seeing makes me feel uncomfortable. The guy did some really awful things, and I can't really relate, but it's still weird to celebrate a death. Anyone else have issues with this?

I have no issue with people celebrating the death of the mass murderer Fidel Castro at all. My mom escaped Cuba in 1967 and went to Spain with nothing but the clothes in her back and one change of clothes. No pictures, no money, nothing but two dresses. The following year a cousin in Chicago sponsored my grandma, grandpa, aunt and uncle and they also escaped with nothing. Left all personal belongings because, well those items including pictures were all inventoried and considered state property.

When you abolish freedom of speech and assembly, abolish private property rights and then line people up up and mow them down by firing squad because they spoke out against Castro or Guevara or wrote dissident music or poetry or were gay, and imprisoned others for speaking out or for the fact the informer on the block notified government officials our cousin had a rifle and he was held for 5 years as a political prisoner and branded with a 7 digit number on his wrist like some animal.

When you do that and more you're a filthy disgusting pos and my . 02 is **** Castro and Guevara and I was not the least bit concerned this weekend with the appearance or impropriety or callousness when I had Cuba Libre's at Cubanitas to celebrate Castro's demise and toast my grandparents who unfortunately have passed on and couldn't enjoy the moment themselves and the thought that maybe someday, they could consider home again.

[leswp1]

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Powerful post. Made me think. Thanks!

[Spartanforlife4]

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Heard a story on the radio about the Bay of Pigs veterans. Some are actually disheartened because Castro died without seeing his own government toppled and some wish they had been given another chance to overtake Cuba.

[joecct]

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Actor Fritz Weaver has died. He was 90.