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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by pgb-ohio View Post
    Should be a decent vantage point, especially from Row 2. Appreciate the report.

    I'm shocked that the Lower Bowl Ends went so quickly. It went from "plenty of good seats available" to "sold out" between Priority 15 and Priority 12. I suppose the NCAA could have pulled some seats off the market. But more likely there's a sizable group of priority holders who have been to roughly 2/3 of the tournaments over the last 20 years.

    Not that I seriously doubted you, but I did double-check. We're talking about the following sections: 105; 106; 107; 116; 117 and 118. And yes, sure enough, the only thing left are the Pricing-On-Steroids Seats in Rows 1 & 2.
    When has the highest sale volume occurred in the past? I'd imagine that has to be coming up around priority 8-10 or so. Seems to be where you have the highest amount of serious, repeat shoppers.

    I'd be a 1st time buyer here and trying to figure out if it's worth it to get a priority point or to be cheap and play the secondary market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaceBoarder View Post

    I'd be a 1st time buyer here and trying to figure out if it's worth it to get a priority point or to be cheap and play the secondary market.
    Around the time of the regional games there are always Frozen 4 tickets for sale on this site......seems many buy them hoping their team will make it to the show......this board insists they are sold for no more than face value......so you can either buy what is left or sit back and wait, but rest assured there will be tickets available in March and some will be very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaceBoarder View Post
    When has the highest sale volume occurred in the past? I'd imagine that has to be coming up around priority 8-10 or so. Seems to be where you have the highest amount of serious, repeat shoppers.
    It's a great question. Unfortunately, for those of us on the outside looking in, we're really just speculating. And in recent years the speculation has gotten tougher because the lottery threads receive fewer reports. It's been at least 7 years since anyone in the lottery was shut out of the building, so the decline in interest in the topic is understandable.

    With that disclaimer out of the way, I've long believed that the demand in the Priority Lottery peaks twice. If you want, call it a bi-modal distribution. The first peak occurs a few levels below the top. The second, a few levels above the bottom. With relatively low sales volume in the middle.

    However, that has been called into question by the surge in sales that apparently occurred at Levels 13 & 14. Why the new pattern? Again, it's just educated guesswork, but here are a few of thoughts:

    Alternate Theory #1: High priority holders have skipped a few tournaments in recent years. The tournament has gone to Tampa twice in a five year period. For some, that's too far to travel. Then there was the FFFF in Detroit. Obvious issues. Finally, advance sales for Philly were soft. For all those reasons, maybe the first peak has moved down 2-3 Priority Levels. Before we started this lottery, I might have said we'll have a peak around Priority 17. But if this alternate theory is correct, maybe the first peak moved down to Level 14 or so.

    The USCHO reports don't really support the alternate theory. But perhaps USCHO Posters are no longer a representative sample of the FF Fan Base as a whole. Or maybe it's even more basic. Perhaps the number of reports we now get is simply too small to give a reliable picture of the larger market.

    Alternate Theory #2: We've been at this for 15 years. Priority Levels are based on a 20 year period. Maybe the peaks have simply flattened out as priority holders are spread out over more data points.

    I'd be a 1st time buyer here and trying to figure out if it's worth it to get a priority point or to be cheap and play the secondary market.
    Another great question. Several thoughts:

    1. Ticket prices on the secondary market fluctuate with the participating teams. But for most recent tournaments, secondary market tickets have sold for less than face value. That includes some great seats, as satyking says. And BTW, if you go that route, that's not being cheap. You're figuring out how to get good value in the marketplace. Two different things. If fair market value is below face value, getting tickets at fair market value isn't being cheap.

    2. For the foreseeable future, the low priority levels will get Upper Bowl seating. Look ahead 10 years. Will Priority 10 (of 30) get you into the Lower Bowl? Maybe. But definitely iffy. And almost certainly not before. Is that attractive enough to draw you into the system? Your call.

    3. The 2018 FF is in St. Paul. Based on 2011, having a priority point probably assures you'll get into the building. Hoping to buy from the public allotment with no points at all? A bit of a risk. Yes, there's still the secondary market. But circle back to the first point. If the U of MN qualifies for the 2018 Field, the secondary market suddenly becomes a sellers' market. Same with UND. So having at least one priority point (and making the early purchase) gives you a little bit of protection from being closed out of a tournament where demand spikes.

    4. Beyond 2018, will having a priority point or two be a good insurance policy? Well, the NCAA hasn't announced tournament sites beyond 2018. So once again, we're speculating. But the pattern has been that the NCAA is very interested in having the FF in non-traditional cities. Translation? Not much risk of being closed out of those cities. Not much value to the insurance in those years.

    Those are the issues as I see it. Polish up that crystal ball and have at it.

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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Priority 11, Section 320, Row 3, 4 seats

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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Being at the priority 4 level, I am still deciding on buying through the NCAA an going secondary market.

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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Finally caught up on this thread for this year. To confirm, no sets of four at all in the lower or club besides rows 1 and 2?

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    Just curious how you keep on telling what seats are available, pgb. Is it because you did not buy your full allotment and you still have the option to buy more? If so could one buy in 2 different areas with consecutive purchases? If you bought 4 and the NCAA dropped the limit from 8 to 4 at lower priorities would you then not be able to check in on availability anymore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC/HE View Post
    Just curious how you keep on telling what seats are available, pgb. Is it because you did not buy your full allotment and you still have the option to buy more?
    Yes. Ironically I thought I had 8 tickets spoken for, and even turned down a couple of inquiries. Chicago connections and all. But as it played out, I wound up with 6 commitments. The silver lining is that I have been able to continue to use the system to search for a pair of seats, for the exact reason you mention.

    If so could one buy in 2 different areas with consecutive purchases?
    Haven't tried it, but I think so. The system is still letting me search in all price categories, not just Club. If it wasn't going to let me purchase, I believe it would block the searches. Recall that it does block the search if it can't give you the requested number of seats in the same row.

    If you bought 4 and the NCAA dropped the limit from 8 to 4 at lower priorities would you then not be able to check in on availability anymore?
    Correct. And that's exactly how it played out last year. Last year I wound up buying 5 of 8, so was able to search for several more rounds before the limit dropped to 4. Then I was shut out of the system. I presume the same thing will happen this year at some point. That said, I'm not aware of any announcement that the limit will be dropping at a specific level. Others have speculated the limit will stay at 8 until the hosts project a sell-out with the lower limit. Meaning, perhaps, that the limit could stay at 8 throughout the Lottery. Can't confirm that at all, but I suppose it could play out that way.

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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonin21 View Post
    Finally caught up on this thread for this year. To confirm, no sets of four at all in the lower or club besides rows 1 and 2?
    Correct.

    - Price Level 3 (Lower Bowl) isn't currently offered. Has been deleted from the drop-down menu.

    - Singles only in Club. FWIW, Section 204 had two singles in close proximity to one another in Rows 7 & 8, as of 11:40PM Eastern.

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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Thank you. I'll be monitoring and checking in as my date gets closer. Not for a while, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgb-ohio View Post
    Correct. And that's exactly how it played out last year. Last year I wound up buying 5 of 8, so was able to search for several more rounds before the limit dropped to 4. Then I was shut out of the system. I presume the same thing will happen this year at some point. That said, I'm not aware of any announcement that the limit will be dropping at a specific level. Others have speculated the limit will stay at 8 until the hosts project a sell-out with the lower limit. Meaning, perhaps, that the limit could stay at 8 throughout the Lottery. Can't confirm that at all, but I suppose it could play out that way.
    It will drop to 4 at some priority. P1 limit is 4

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    Email answered:
    The pricing of the tickets is a collaborative decision between the host, venue and the NCAA based on pricing history and what the market can bear and the location of the tournament.
    Interesting. Not surprising. True or not, it is basically just the 3 big stakeholders involved as it could be construed as a non-answer as much as an answer.
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    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Papagiorgio View Post
    Email answered:


    The pricing of the tickets is a collaborative decision between the host, venue and the NCAA based on pricing history and what the market can bear and the location of the tournament.
    Interesting. Not surprising. True or not, it is basically just the 3 big stakeholders involved as it could be construed as a non-answer as much as an answer.
    and a tacit admission that their goal is to bleed every last cent out of their ticket buyers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gscott13 View Post
    and a tacit admission that their goal is to bleed every last cent out of their ticket buyers...
    Agreed, although I'm not sure tacit is the perfect word. I found the candor almost startling. Despite the crassness of today's world, most sellers don't boldly state they're charging whatever the market will bear.

    Also: Most sellers, regardless of the commodity, at least pay lip service to the idea that customer is getting a good value. That sentiment is certainly nowhere to found in the e-mail response. Rather, I'd say it's conspicuous by its absence.
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    Well, we're half way through the proceedings. Priority 10 @ 10 Eastern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgb-ohio View Post
    Well, we're half way through the proceedings. Priority 10 @ 10 Eastern.
    That's me.

    Two seats on the glass, corner section 108.
    Last edited by goldy_331; 10-14-2016 at 09:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gscott13 View Post
    and a tacit admission that their goal is to bleed every last cent out of their ticket buyers...
    I certainly don't discount the fact that this year the host is Notre Dame - they grab about as much money as anyone in college sports.

    I hope Brian Kelly puts everyone involved in this on a scissor lift on a windy day.
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Ambrose on 3/7/2010 View Post
    The fact that you BC fans revel in the superiority of your team in an admittedly weak league leads me to believe you will be more sorely disappointed when the end comes than we will.

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    I'm already having buyer's remorse. Should've gone cheaper.

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    Re: 2017 Frozen Four Ticket Purchase

    Quote Originally Posted by goldy_331 View Post
    That's me.

    Two seats on the glass, corner section 108.
    Cake eater! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonin21 View Post
    Cake eater! lol
    goldy can afford to buy cheaper seats and then sell the expensive ones at a discount!!! just because
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