Campaign 2016 Part XV: Before & After: Dancing in the Streets of Philadelphia!

[burd]

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He'll have access to as many experts as he wants. The problem is that he'll want zero. The policy side of things means absolutely zero to him. He just doesn't care. He doesn't want to be President, he just wants to win the election. Somebody insulted him and now he wants to win just to prove he's not the sad, little man he knows he is deep down inside.

I understand that, but the guy has a huge ego, and I can't see him not preparing. He's accustomed to using experts in his business matters, so he understands their importance, even though he is an attention-seeking child.

[Rover]

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I love it. On 1/20/17 I'll stop being a racist and become a misogynist

Why can't you be both?

Interesting take on the Bloomberg invited to speak angle, but I think trolling Trump all serves the same purpose. Yes to get him upset but more than that. The theme of the Dem campaign in terms of the opposition is surprisingly simple for once. Trump is a dangerous lunatic. Once that sets in people's minds, its kinda hard to ever go back on. Trump may have succeeded in labeling Hillary corrupt (the entire point of his convention) but if forced to choose between low level corruption and insanity gimme corruption 6 days a week and twice on Sunday!

For any lefties not liking Hillary that's okay but you should take heart in her campaign team. They're been top notch thus far. Hillary isn't trying to be something she's not - a game changing inspirational orator like some of the Presidents that have come before her. That's a lesson she hadn't learned in 2008.

[alfablue]

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I love it. On 1/20/17 I'll stop being a racist and become a misogynist

So hate can come from policy positions? If anything we can read over the last 2 centuries- mostly, Presidential policy isn't going to ruin this country- it never has for now, and isn't likely going to.

Even IF tD get's elected, he's going to run head strong right into the House and Senate, and 2 of the three branches are going to fight pretty tooth and nail. However he tries to stack the SCOTUS in his favor, the Senate can deny that.

Seems like the biggest problem with Hillary is that she was an un-elected person trying to influence policy. AKA- she was a lobbyist, as First Lady. Big deal. Everything went downhill, nationally, from there. Or was it that people were offended that she kept the name Rodham after she got married to Bill so that she can still keep her law practice the same? Oh, such an evil woman for doing that.

I don't see policy as a reason to hate someone with the venom people have with her.

If it's policy you hate, at least spell it out.

For me, I looked into the 3rd party, and don't see enough plus/minus change to justify voting for them. I see no plus for tD, and a lot of minuses.

[alfablue]

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I understand that, but the guy has a huge ego, and I can't see him not preparing. He's accustomed to using gut feelings in his business matters, so he understands their importance, even though he is an attention-seeking child.

FYP.

Like the gut feeling that we are in a more dangerous society- when crime is actually down. Facts be ****ed- give me feelings!

[GrinCDXX]

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FYP.

Like the gut feeling that we are in a more dangerous society- when crime is actually down. Facts be ****ed- give me feelings!

Many probably saw the interview via John Oliver, but for those that haven't, Newt's take on this issue is worth a watch.

[alfablue]

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Many probably saw the interview via John Oliver, but for those that haven't, Newt's take on this issue is worth a watch.

And it wasn't JUST Newt. I don't remember the guy's name who in convinced that President Obama is a Muslim. He feels it deeply. So it must be true.

[burd]

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FYP.

Like the gut feeling that we are in a more dangerous society- when crime is actually down. Facts be ****ed- give me feelings!

Makes sense, alfa, but I can't accept it because your tag line shows you are a LIAR!! No way FS23 would say such a thing while sober and any proof to the contrary is a fabrication.

[busterman62]

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So hate can come from policy positions? If anything we can read over the last 2 centuries- mostly, Presidential policy isn't going to ruin this country- it never has for now, and isn't likely going to.

Even IF tD get's elected, he's going to run head strong right into the House and Senate, and 2 of the three branches are going to fight pretty tooth and nail. However he tries to stack the SCOTUS in his favor, the Senate can deny that.

Seems like the biggest problem with Hillary is that she was an un-elected person trying to influence policy. AKA- she was a lobbyist, as First Lady. Big deal. Everything went downhill, nationally, from there. Or was it that people were offended that she kept the name Rodham after she got married to Bill so that she can still keep her law practice the same? Oh, such an evil woman for doing that.

I don't see policy as a reason to hate someone with the venom people have with her.

If it's policy you hate, at least spell it out.

For me, I looked into the 3rd party, and don't see enough plus/minus change to justify voting for them. I see no plus for tD, and a lot of minuses.

It was a statement to Scooby rather than against HRC. For the past 8 years, opposition to policies or how BO acted was, in several instances, met with cries of racism. Since Scooby stated that the opposition to HRC was estrogen based and she is Caucasian, I expect that once she's POTUS, sooner or later a similar disagreement with her (such as her taxation plans, TPP) will be labeled misogyny rather than racist. The over/under for said labeling is 3/17/17.

Like you, I agree that the nation will perceiver regardless of who wins. And...like Rover, I'll take corruption over stupidity any day of the week. I just don't have to like it and, since I'm in a state that will go HRC, don't have to choose the lesser of the two as I have had to in the past.

[Handyman]

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And it wasn't JUST Newt. I don't remember the guy's name who in convinced that President Obama is a Muslim. He feels it deeply. So it must be true.

It was Antonio Sabato Jr.

[Kepler]

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Its more I have faith in my fellow man to completely reject Trump. Substitute Hillary for Uncle Joe Biden and I'd be saying the same thing. Generic Dem beats Generic Gooper in a Presidential election because there's More Of Us. Generic Dem beats nutjob Republican by even more.

I was complimenting you on your loyalty.

[Kepler]

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Seriously, have you just set up some sort of computer algorithm to spit out variations of names, using various synonyms for orange tinted color for the first, and fascists for the second?

I stole the last one from Trevor Noah. I was much happier with Apricot Authoritarian, but Dr. Mrs. preferred the smooth South African dude. I have never been more jealous.

I'm sorry if this offends the fans of the Pumpkin Pinochet.

[Kepler]

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Still- I can't really wrap my head around the Clinton hate.

It's just blind partisan bile. You're talking about people who found a way to revile Michelle Obama, who seems to be an all-around very nice, smart, funny person. But to Republicans she's Jeffrey Dahmer because... reasons.

At a certain point who people hate stops telling you anything about their targets and everything about them.

[ScoobyDoo]

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Interesting that Mr. Ratings got slaughtered in the ratings race for the two conventions. Rumor has it he's now saying he didn't have anything to do with the GOP convention except his speech.

I guess Chachi wasn't his fault either.

[MaizeRage]

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Interesting take on the Bloomberg invited to speak angle, but I think trolling Trump all serves the same purpose.

I'm not sure they did it intentionally. Competent as they've been in recent history, I'm still of the generation that expects the Democrats to blunder their way through things, so it was probably a happy accident that worked out perfectly. Yes, everybody on the left side is going to troll Trump. But Bloomberg specifically is a guy that really cuts deep on Trump, because he went up there publicly and said Trump doesn't belong in the super-rich elite club. It's a guy that has hit a few home runs pointing out Trump is still stuck on third base where he was born. And there's nothing that hurts Trump more. He doesn't care about not knowing enough policy to fix the world's problems. He can't spell demagogue. He doesn't care that he cheated people out of money(that's just how the game is played). But he desperately wants everyone to know that he is a rich, successful person.

So you're right that every Dem is going to tell people Trump as a dangerous lunatic. But Bloomberg managed the trick of getting Trump to tell people he's a dangerous lunatic.

[Kepler]

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Not much...there is always someone looking for a payday and to get his foot in the door on a campaign.

I disagree -- I think his distance from the GOP professionals will strongly affect who he hires as advisors. You know the joke that Newt Gingrich is a stupid man's idea of a smart man? Trump is the kind of person who would hire Newt as an advisor. He would hire Doug Feith as a Middle East expert if he was a decent golfer. Or more likely he'll hire celeb pundits. Imagine debate prep with Jonah Goldberg on Israel, Peggy Noonan on women's pay equity, Bill Kristol on economics and Laura Ingraham on reproductive rights?