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    For gopher fans itís becoming an issue of cost of season tickets. Mine are $830 a pop and they are the second-lowest package in the arena.

    You can usually find good deals on the street but even then, for a family of four you are probably dropping at a minimum of $80-$100 a game if you buy on the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickod View Post
    And that's not the point. The question is not people that "used to [make] it to the games," the question is why don't the people who are "that age" NOW go? Why aren't younger people replacing those people? Those people can't go forever. For any business to be sustainable, they need to cultivate new customers. From what I saw last night, just about everyone there was over 40 (except for 108 and 118 - the "end zone" student sections - one of which was basically empty).
    A good point about BU, and perhaps other schools, doing a bad job of cultivating a fun environment for the students. BU and Agganis went so over the top with security measures over the past decade for the student sections that it zapped the fun out of the experience. I'm not saying cracking down on vulgar language was a bad thing, but they went miles beyond that.

    Some examples:
    - Having security guards positioned at the bottom of the sections whose sole job it was to stand looking at the students reading mouths to pick out anyone who might be swearing. No such guards were stationed in any other sections.
    - Manually reading every poster at the arena entrance AND the student section entrance. No sign containing ANY reference to the opposing team or player in any capacity or that could be perceived as even the slightest bit negative was allowed. You couldn't make an "I Love Jerry York" sign. You couldn't make a "That was a bad call" sign. I even got flack back in my days for a sign that said "FAIL".
    - Stationing security guards at the top and bottom of all stairways of student sections on guard for Į\_(ツ)_/Į. This in addition to the aforementioned mouth-readers. No such guards were stationed in any other sections.
    - Extreme ticket-checking measures at the top of each student section. I'd heard accounts of guards not letting students into one section entrance if their seat was on the opposite side of that same section. Why? Who knows.

    This created an atmosphere of needless scrutiny, feeling that one minor misstep or off-color word spoken to your friend would lead to expulsion from the arena, and that you couldn't go have fun on a weekend night with your friends cheering for your school. I'm not advocating that you can only have fun swearing and making a drunken fool of yourself - that rightfully was taken out. But if I can't jump up and down yelling at the opposing goalie telling him how hilarious it was that he just got five-holed, or make a sign ribbing Northeastern for having won nothing (at the time) of any relevance in decades, we've gone way too far. There are probably other reasons why the student experience has fallen off the map at BU and elsewhere, but the school and the arena have done an absolutely horrific job fostering a fun environment that still falls within the bounds of decency.

    I was chatting with a friend from college recently who told me she remembers that going to hockey games as a student was her way of releasing the stress of school from that week. You could go there and have a blast with your friends, and get away from the pressures of academics. She didn't have to do that by showing up and acting like a drunken hooligan dropping f-bombs every five seconds, instead just by being with your friends, watching a fun sport, jumping around, yelling and screaming, and having a great time without fear of being suspended from BU for yelling at ref or telling the goalie that he sucked. They might've pregamed a couple of beers before going over, but that wasn't a necessary component of the experience and didn't lead to anything outside the bounds of decency. THAT experience has been sucked out of Agganis fully and completely over the years and it's crying shame that the kids who go there now don't have the opportunity to experience that. If you were a part of the Dog Pound in the mid-2000s when it was at its most recent peak, you'd be thrown out of the arena for 75% of the stuff we used to do - none of which involved any vulgarity.

    tl;dr - get the unnecessary f-ing swearing police out of student sections, make the atmosphere conducive to having fun, and make being a student hockey fan fun again
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    It's not just college hockey, of course. Attendance is down in minor professional leagues too.

    My theory is that sports fans can now sit at home and watch top-level pro sports from the comfort of their own homes instead of going to a college or minor pro game in person. And this is exacerbated for winter sports.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    I don't think its a case of the options today necessarily being more exciting than playing or watching sports. It's more a case of them begin easier and cheaper. It doesn't take much effort to sit at home and play on your phone/tablet/computer and also doesn't really cost any money. Human beings by nature are fairly lazy creatures.
    I wonder if the individual ticket price has priced out the young alum crowd. I know that BU has a good deal on season tickets for a young alum, but I don't think they have a young alum individual game price. For someone 2 years out of college with an entry level job and student loans the $30+ ticket price may be prohibitive (especially if you add in $10 parking and a couple of $9 beers).


    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    I thought of something else that maybe hurts attendance. Are there people who want to go but can't find someone else who wants to go? I know there are times I've asked around for various games and haven't been able to find anymore who wants to go. I honestly don't mind going by myself but know I'm probably in the minority.
    Perhaps this could be a bit of a factor. I mean, ever tried to give away college hockey tickets? You would think you were trying to get someone to help you move instead of giving them tickets to a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericredaxe View Post
    I wonder if the individual ticket price has priced out the young alum crowd. I know that BU has a good deal on season tickets for a young alum, but I don't think they have a young alum individual game price. For someone 2 years out of college with an entry level job and student loans the $30+ ticket price may be prohibitive (especially if you add in $10 parking and a couple of $9 beers).
    Yeah, the young alumni season ticket price is excellent, $219 for the season which comes out to about $12/game. And they consider young alumni to be anyone who's graduated in the past 10 yeasr. But you're right there's no YA price for individual games, and unless you walk up and buy a ticket, it comes out to $32.55 for one ticket to tonight's game. Face value is $23, plus another $8.55 in TM fees. Ridiculous.
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    Gophers football did the new alumni pricing and it was a hit. We still have our tickets.

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    I think one of the main reasons for lower attendance across the board is the recent advernt of internet streaming of gamesí. major game changer

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    Quote Originally Posted by LTsatch View Post
    I think one of the main reasons for lower attendance across the board is the recent advernt of internet streaming of gamesí. major game changer
    ..this is a valid point. Attendance was always up & down @ NU with some exceptional sellouts.. but now, at Northeastern.. they stream all home gms for free.. & in HD. Pretty good stream too.

    When one doesnt want to drive in to the city.. cant beat the NU HD. (hate to admit it)

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    I disagree. Again, Iím going to point to the Gophers so hear me out.

    The gophers have been on TV for years, decades. Every game. Weíve been on slightly fewer broadcasts in years and they still see shrinking attendance. Iím just not sure itís an availability thing.

    I think it really has to do with more of a generational thing where itís not a priority. This is a mistake that was made 20 years ago. College sports becoming a commodity instead of an event. Sell tickets instead of get fans in seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by northeastern View Post
    ..this is a valid point. Attendance was always up & down @ NU with some exceptional sellouts.. but now, at Northeastern.. they stream all home gms for free.. & in HD. Pretty good stream too.

    When one doesnt want to drive in to the city.. cant beat the NU HD. (hate to admit it)
    Could be part of it, especially when dealing with ever increasing traffic issues in Boston.

    Not sure if you were following but tonightís BU/NU game at Agganis drew 3897 (under 2/3 full)... and that is a game against a crosstown rivalry-ish team that usually brings a good handful of fans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ericredaxe View Post
    Could be part of it, especially when dealing with ever increasing traffic issues in Boston.

    Not sure if you were following but tonightís BU/NU game at Agganis drew 3897 (under 2/3 full)... and that is a game against a crosstown rivalry-ish team that usually brings a good handful of fans.
    i am on the road this wknd & got to watch some of tonight's gm (mostly the 3rd period) on your stream.. & yes, i did notice.

    hopefully powers that be (sports / tickets mktg at each of the schools) can figure it out & help turn it around some. in reading some of the comments on this thread, it is a complex issue with a lot of factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericredaxe View Post
    Could be part of it, especially when dealing with ever increasing traffic issues in Boston.

    Not sure if you were following but tonightís BU/NU game at Agganis drew 3897 (under 2/3 full)... and that is a game against a crosstown rivalry-ish team that usually brings a good handful of fans.
    Is traffic in Boston any worse than 128? It's insane how bad it has gotten around here. It doesn't seem like there is any urgency to make things any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew S. View Post
    Is traffic in Boston any worse than 128? It's insane how bad it has gotten around here. It doesn't seem like there is any urgency to make things any better.
    I think one of the problems here is that you had to build the roads around existing homes in the first place. It's not like out West where they have nearly endless open space. Much of the West wasn't even highly populated until 1900. Here, you have to take out property in order to expand roads and/or add more lanes. A good example is the recent project on Route 2 in Lincoln. It took about five years, and homes were moved, had their front yards "chopped off" and/or walls built so they could grade the road, or land taken by eminent domain. So I'm not really sure what they can do...some of the houses have been here since the 1600s. It's very congested and there is really no room for expansion. You can't build "access roads" to venues because there is simply no place to put them. Public transportation doesn't work, especially if you are outside of the MBTA "range," because, for example, the Amtrak Downeaster has so few runs that you likely would have to spend the night in a hotel and wait until the next day to take the train home.

    If you look out West the cities are "planned," and many of them are grids with "organized" traffic flows. It's impossible to do that here. Combine this with not only the population increase, but the fact that more families have cars, and you get what you have now. I didn't even own a car until I was 26. Now every kid in high school has their own car. Families that used to own one car for four people now have four.

    Unfortunately I don't think there is much that can be done until we develop transporters ("...beam me up, Scotty")

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    College sports becoming a commodity instead of an event. Sell tickets instead of get fans in seats.
    I think this is absolutely the perfect way to sum up what has happened. And it hasn't just affected student or young alum attendance. I know it is the major factor in why I no longer am a season ticket holder at Notre Dame. (it has nothing to do with the fact I live in Cleveland almost 4 hours away from campus, when I lived in PA I maintained the season pass). My group had grown to 6 people (3 of us since the WCHA days) and now none get tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxmnkd316 View Post
    I disagree. Again, I’m going to point to the Gophers so hear me out.

    The gophers have been on TV for years, decades. Every game. We’ve been on slightly fewer broadcasts in years and they still see shrinking attendance. I’m just not sure it’s an availability thing.

    I think it really has to do with more of a generational thing where it’s not a priority. This is a mistake that was made 20 years ago. College sports becoming a commodity instead of an event. Sell tickets instead of get fans in seats.
    When your team prices tickets like a pro team what do you expect. My season tickets for Yale are $210 a seat on the Yale attacking blue line, fifteen rows from the ice. Priced affordably, ticket sales are not an issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chickod View Post
    I think one of the problems here is that you had to build the roads around existing homes in the first place. It's not like out West where they have nearly endless open space. Much of the West wasn't even highly populated until 1900. Here, you have to take out property in order to expand roads and/or add more lanes. A good example is the recent project on Route 2 in Lincoln. It took about five years, and homes were moved, had their front yards "chopped off" and/or walls built so they could grade the road, or land taken by eminent domain. So I'm not really sure what they can do...some of the houses have been here since the 1600s. It's very congested and there is really no room for expansion. You can't build "access roads" to venues because there is simply no place to put them. Public transportation doesn't work, especially if you are outside of the MBTA "range," because, for example, the Amtrak Downeaster has so few runs that you likely would have to spend the night in a hotel and wait until the next day to take the train home.

    If you look out West the cities are "planned," and many of them are grids with "organized" traffic flows. It's impossible to do that here. Combine this with not only the population increase, but the fact that more families have cars, and you get what you have now. I didn't even own a car until I was 26. Now every kid in high school has their own car. Families that used to own one car for four people now have four.

    Unfortunately I don't think there is much that can be done until we develop transporters ("...beam me up, Scotty")
    If nothing else, they should re-work the exchanges between where 128 meets 93 and also where it meets route 3. Unless self driving cars help down the road things aren't going to get any better or easier/cheaper to fix.
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    The $ thing doesn't wash for me. I priced taking my son to see the Blackhawks at the Garden and it was going to set me back $350 for 2 balcony seats. ONE GAME. And yet, they sell out. I don't think BU ticket prices are that crazy given the price of everything these days.

    Other theories:
    - The one and done's are hurting the sport. No more following the same team for 2-3 years and building a Jr/Sr laden team to a Frozen Four birth
    - The quality of the game. It's down. I think because of the above.
    - Much more options for students these days than back in "our day."
    - Lack of a fun environment as noted by Brassbonanza above.
    - Season is too long
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber View Post
    The $ thing doesn't wash for me. I priced taking my son to see the Blackhawks at the Garden and it was going to set me back $350 for 2 balcony seats. ONE GAME. And yet, they sell out. I don't think BU ticket prices are that crazy given the price of everything these days.

    Other theories:
    - The one and done's are hurting the sport. No more following the same team for 2-3 years and building a Jr/Sr laden team to a Frozen Four birth
    - The quality of the game. It's down. I think because of the above.
    - Much more options for students these days than back in "our day."
    - Lack of a fun environment as noted by Brassbonanza above.
    - Season is too long
    I kind of agree with all of this, I doubt that if a game ticket was $18 instead of $25 that we would see a huge spike in attendance.

    The one exception to this might be some sort of young alum discount for single game tickets or ticket packs, for those young alums who don't want to go all in on the season tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bomber View Post
    - The one and done's are hurting the sport. No more following the same team for 2-3 years and building a Jr/Sr laden team to a Frozen Four birth
    I think attendance is also down at schools without draft picks, though I could be wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brassbonanza View Post
    A good point about BU, and perhaps other schools, doing a bad job of cultivating a fun environment for the students. BU and Agganis went so over the top with security measures over the past decade for the student sections that it zapped the fun out of the experience. I'm not saying cracking down on vulgar language was a bad thing, but they went miles beyond that...make the atmosphere conducive to having fun, and make being a student hockey fan fun again
    This thread has done a pretty good job identifying the myriad societal and technological factors that tend to depress attendance. But I think Mr. Bonanza is onto something here. And you can add Conte (BC) to the list of over-reaching venues. Went to an NU game there a couple of years back and the security atmosphere was stifling. Orange-jacketed security agents everywhere and watching every move. Sucked out the spontaneity that has always been a hallmark of college sports.
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