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    Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyThumper View Post
    Pankowski, Ryan, Shaver, Norby, Roque, Steffen, Wellhausen were all invited to the Team USA U22 tryouts in Lake Placid. Nurse, Clark and ARD invited to Canada's.
    Where did you find this info?

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    Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

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    Where did you find this info?
    Official release from USA Hockey came out today. http://teamusa.usahockey.com/news_article/show/674506

    The Canadian news has been out since the 20th. http://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/new...ummer-Showcase
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    Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyThumper View Post
    Pankowski, Ryan, Shaver, Norby, Roque, Steffen, Wellhausen were all invited to the Team USA U22 tryouts in Lake Placid. Nurse, Clark and ARD invited to Canada's.
    According to the UW tweeter, Mauermann is also invited to the USA camp. Pretty freaking awesome 4 incoming Fr are invited. I however did not see Wellhausen on the list tweeted.

    The roster is up on the UW site....item of interest is one of the new goalies, Baldwin, is only 5-1. For the record ARD is 5-9 and Cece is 5-7. Mullan is still on the team, she came up from the club level when Miller got hurt last year, so it looks like 4 goalies on the roster. Maybe one can play forward, MJ has not officially filled the 12th forward spot yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    According to the UW tweeter, Mauermann is also invited to the USA camp. Pretty freaking awesome 4 incoming Fr are invited. I however did not see Wellhausen on the list tweeted.

    The roster is up on the UW site....item of interest is one of the new goalies, Baldwin, is only 5-1. For the record ARD is 5-9 and Cece is 5-7. Mullan is still on the team, she came up from the club level when Miller got hurt last year, so it looks like 4 goalies on the roster. Maybe one can play forward, MJ has not officially filled the 12th forward spot yet.
    Four goalies?! One can assume that the former club goalie is not on scholarship, but who knows.
    As for the height issue, Maschmeyer is listed as 5'6, and that relatively small stature doesn't seem to slow her down. It doesn't seem that women goalies are usually exceptionally tall (like on the men's side) but if you don't have the height you'd better have impeccable technical skills!

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    Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by Sieve1 View Post
    Four goalies?! One can assume that the former club goalie is not on scholarship, but who knows.
    As for the height issue, Maschmeyer is listed as 5'6, and that relatively small stature doesn't seem to slow her down. It doesn't seem that women goalies are usually exceptionally tall (like on the men's side) but if you don't have the height you'd better have impeccable technical skills!
    Gotta think a 5-9 goalie vs a 5-1 leaves lot smaller targets to shoot up high unless the 5-1 is 6 feet out from the top of the crease, but then you are not able to get to the far post very quickly. I assume CC (Cece) is the heir apparent ARD.
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    Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyDave View Post
    Official release from USA Hockey came out today. http://teamusa.usahockey.com/news_article/show/674506

    The Canadian news has been out since the 20th. http://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/new...ummer-Showcase
    How is Courtney Burke NOT on this list? Arguably she was one of the top defenseman not only in the WCHA but, in the entire country during her career at UW, a second team All-American, and she was a first round draft pick in the NWHL! Actually there are a few interesting choices and omissions on this list. Some players named haven't played a second of college hockey up to this point in their careers. It would be interesting to know USA Hockey's thoughts behind their choices. Seems like USA Hockey went really young/inexperienced in picking the players eligible for the U-22 team! Just an observation.
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    How is Courtney Burke NOT on this list? Arguably she was one of the top defenseman not only in the WCHA but, in the entire country during her career at UW. And she was a first round draft pick in the NWHL! Actually there are a few interesting choices and omissions on this list. Some players named haven't played a second of college hockey up to this point in their careers. It would be interesting to know USA Hockey's thoughts behind their choices. Seems like USA Hockey went really young/inexperienced in picking the players eligible for the U-22 team! Just an observation.
    Are college grads eligible for U22?

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    Are college grads eligible for U22?
    Yes.. as long as your birth year is 1994 or younger.. Burke is a '94 as is Dana Travigno a recently graduated BC player.

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    Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by pensrule View Post
    Seems like USA Hockey went really young/inexperienced in picking the players eligible for the U-22 team!
    If it is like past summers, there are three different rosters being staffed: U-18, U-22, and the "open" national team. U-18 and U-22 have series versus Canada ~ August, and the others get the chance to train and scrimmage these two rosters. So many of the "really young" people are competing for U-18 spots.
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    Re: Wisconsin Badgers 2016-2017

    Quote Originally Posted by ARM View Post
    If it is like past summers, there are three different rosters being staffed: U-18, U-22, and the "open" national team. U-18 and U-22 have series versus Canada ~ August, and the others get the chance to train and scrimmage these two rosters. So many of the "really young" people are competing for U-18 spots.
    Actually when looking at the U-22 invite list, 14 of the 38 players (37%) are '97 or '98 birth years with ZERO experience playing college hockey. I chose to use Courtney Burke as an example in my previous post as someone who more than qualifies and should be on this list ahead of many but, you could make a case for many players that were not invited. It just seems to me that for this particular age group (U-22) there really is no need to take anyone who hasn't played at least one year of college hockey. The player pool is plenty deep enough! I don't care where a player played their prep, high school, or AAA hockey at. The D-1 game is played at a totally different level--a level that is comparable to playing Canada in this series.
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    Actually when looking at the U-22 invite list, 14 of the 38 players (37%) are '97 or '98 birth years with ZERO experience playing college hockey. I chose to use Courtney Burke as an example in my previous post as someone who more than qualifies and should be on this list ahead of many but, you could make a case for many players that were not invited. It just seems to me that for this particular age group (U-22) there really is no need to take anyone who hasn't played at least one year of college hockey. The player pool is plenty deep enough! I don't care where a player played their prep, high school, or AAA hockey at. The D-1 game is played at a totally different level--a level that is comparable to playing Canada in this series.
    Looking at the blue liners, the players with zero college experience are U18’s, so I’m not seeing the outrage.

    You should probably wait and see what happens, if the US gets thumped by Canada in U22 then come on here and blast US Hockey for their selection process. All the people complaining about all the Minnesotans on the last U18 sound pretty stupid considering they won gold. All of the people blasting US Hockey and Katey Stone for leaving Brandt off the Olympic team sound pretty smart considering they lost to Canada and Brandt has 3 Natty trophies (including beating Harvard yuk yuk) and scored nearly all the goals in beating Canada in the last U22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    Looking at the blue liners, the players with zero college experience are U18’s, so I’m not seeing the outrage.

    You should probably wait and see what happens, if the US gets thumped by Canada in U22 then come on here and blast US Hockey for their selection process. All the people complaining about all the Minnesotans on the last U18 sound pretty stupid considering they won gold. All of the people blasting US Hockey and Katey Stone for leaving Brandt off the Olympic team sound pretty smart considering they lost to Canada and Brandt has 3 Natty trophies (including beating Harvard yuk yuk) and scored nearly all the goals in beating Canada in the last U22.

    It is so much sweeter when you are actually correct
    If a player has a birth year of 1998 or older they are no longer eligible for the U-18 ('99-'00 birth years) team. There are actually 4 defensemen and 9 forwards invited to the U-22 tryouts that have aged out of U-18 but, have not played in college yet.. The 4 defensemen are: Grace Bowbly, Emily Brown, Patti Marshall, and McKenzie Steffen. All GREAT players that I'm certain will have super college careers, but they are not at the playing level that Burke is at at this point of their careers. I think Burke earned her shot. Even though I'm a UW Badger fan, I completely agree with you on Brandt and the 2014 Olympic Team. I also think that Kate Schipper should have been invited this summer as well! I'm not really blasting USA Hockey as much as questioning how they determine who goes and who doesn't. If you look at the invites just from UW and UM alone, there are some players left off from each team that are as good, better, or certainly more experienced than some that were invited. Just interested in what goes into the decision process that's all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pensrule View Post
    ... Just interested in what goes into the decision process that's all.
    poke around the site, for the Olympics I found it in a document somewhere on the site

    Quote Originally Posted by pensrule View Post
    If a player has a birth year of 1998 or older they are no longer eligible for the U-18 ('99-'00 birth years) team.
    then wouldn't Burke be ineligible for the U22 against Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokechecker View Post
    poke around the site, for the Olympics I found it in a document somewhere on the site


    then wouldn't Burke be ineligible for the U22 against Canada?
    She is a '94 birth year so she is still eligible for the U-22 series against Canada. The U-18 team is picked not only for the Canada series this month but, also for the 2017 World Championships. See the USA Hockey website and it breaks down the selectees into their respective age groups/try-outs. Again, I'm really not trying to sound bitter. Just curious about what goes into the selection process.
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    . All of the people blasting US Hockey and Katey Stone for leaving Brandt off the Olympic team
    Wasn't Pankowski the last cut and Julie Chu the last on? At any rate Stone sure botched it.
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    Maybe Canada and the United States can make more people happy by fielding two teams each – heaven knows both countries have enough talent to do so. They are already spending money training 95+ girls – what’s a little more expense in sending a second team to the Olympics? It would probably make for better competition at the Games. … just a thought.

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    The Bill Buckner of women’s hockey.

    “We wanted the best kids who created the best environment to make the most difficult decisions to put us in the right spot.”

    No, that’s not Brad Frost talking about Hanna Brandt and why he has appeared in five consecutive championship games and won four of them, that’s Katey Stone explaining why she didn’t pick Hanna Brandt for the ’14 Olympic team.

    Don’t believe it, failure is always an option. When the two best teams meet, only one of them can succeed, that does not make the other a failure. Making statements like that and blowing a two goal lead, I’m sorry, but that was failure.


    Quote Originally Posted by DedicatedFan View Post
    Maybe Canada and the United States can make more people happy by fielding two teams each – heaven knows both countries have enough talent to do so. They are already spending money training 95+ girls – what’s a little more expense in sending a second team to the Olympics? It would probably make for better competition at the Games. … just a thought.
    it would surely be possible elsewhere and would help women's hockey by making it possible for other teams to win, increase interest in those countries, and make them better. It is to the point now where there simply isn't enough room for all the best players to be on one team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DedicatedFan View Post
    Maybe Canada and the United States can make more people happy by fielding two teams each – heaven knows both countries have enough talent to do so. They are already spending money training 95+ girls – what’s a little more expense in sending a second team to the Olympics? It would probably make for better competition at the Games. … just a thought.
    I think that would be terrible for the development of women's hockey internationally. In situations where it is possible for one country/state/province to send multiple teams, it usually happens that one team is loaded with the people who would have made the original single-team roster, and the second team is players ranked 21-40. While it is unlikely that those "B" teams would win gold, it is highly probable that one of them would medal. That lessens the probability of a Cinderella story like the Swiss winning bronze in the 2014 Olympics. Two Team Canadas and two Team USAs might be good for those countries, but it would all but take away the carrot on the stick for the rest of the world.

    For an example of this, look at Ontario Blue/Red (sorry, I don't know which is which) in women's hockey or the USA Select team that just played an exhibition versus the USA Olympic Women's Basketball team. The latter would have a great chance to medal if it was eligible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy A View Post
    According to the UW tweeter, Mauermann is also invited to the USA camp. Pretty freaking awesome 4 incoming Fr are invited. I however did not see Wellhausen on the list tweeted.

    The roster is up on the UW site....item of interest is one of the new goalies, Baldwin, is only 5-1. For the record ARD is 5-9 and Cece is 5-7. Mullan is still on the team, she came up from the club level when Miller got hurt last year, so it looks like 4 goalies on the roster. Maybe one can play forward, MJ has not officially filled the 12th forward spot yet.
    At this point in the summer, I don't see a 12th forward just appearing out of nowhere. Looks like most, if not all, the freshmen are already on campus. I don't remember the last time they weren't able to play 4 full lines. Maybe one of the listed defensemen is being targeted to convert to a forward. It's definitely happened in the past (Mikkelson, A. Kelter).

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