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    Stupid.

    ****ing stupid.

    We already have one failure in the desert.
    I realize this is a hockey discussion and not one about the environment, but every added attraction likely to make LV even more of a drain on precious water resources is an offense, IMO. Square peg in a round environmental hole.

    I hope someone will come on here and enlighten me on all the creative and effective solutions LV is finding to conserve water, but I'm not holding my breath.

    And yes, I know we are well past the point where that folly first occurred and that there many other offenders in this category. But Parise, is there a limit?

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    I hope someone will come on here and enlighten me on all the creative and effective solutions LV is finding to conserve water, but I'm not holding my breath.
    They conserved 9.6 billion gallons last year by paying people to switch from grass to desert landscape and prohibit planting grass on new developments. They also conserved about 65 billion gallons by recycling drain water and sending it back into Lake Mead. Obviously their issues aren't fixed, but the effect of a hockey rink is a tiny drop in the bucket.
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    Seattle will be expansion and QC will be relocation.
    The west will be expansion because they are 14 now. If Vegas is real, then probably Seattle, but a surprise (Portland, another CA team?) wouldn't shock me either.

    Any franchise movement in the east will stay east and will be either to QC or to Toronto (where there is group trying to get a second franchise* in the city).

    The end-game here is to balance the NHL to 16 east and 16 west.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaizeRage View Post
    They conserved 9.6 billion gallons last year by paying people to switch from grass to desert landscape and prohibit planting grass on new developments. They also conserved about 65 billion gallons by recycling drain water and sending it back into Lake Mead. Obviously their issues aren't fixed, but the effect of a hockey rink is a tiny drop in the bucket.
    Literally. It'll be interesting (to me anyway) to see what they will do for refrigeration, both for the sheet and the building. The biggest water consumption may well be a cooling tower if they go evaporative. It is hugely more cost and energy effective to use an evaporative tower, but it can be done with dry coolers to reject the heat. So balance first cost + energy cost versus water consumption. The water lost by a tower cannot be reclaimed, cleaned and returned to the lake as can the water used to flush toilets, the other big consumption.

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    Literally. It'll be interesting (to me anyway) to see what they will do for refrigeration, both for the sheet and the building. The biggest water consumption may well be a cooling tower if they go evaporative. It is hugely more cost and energy effective to use an evaporative tower, but it can be done with dry coolers to reject the heat. So balance first cost + energy cost versus water consumption. The water lost by a tower cannot be reclaimed, cleaned and returned to the lake as can the water used to flush toilets, the other big consumption.
    Any chance they could get really creative and make the roof a solar farm to power the fans for the dry coolers? They'd be lucky to get a quarter-megawatt from that, but it wouldn't hurt.
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    Any chance they could get really creative and make the roof a solar farm to power the fans for the dry coolers? They'd be lucky to get a quarter-megawatt from that, but it wouldn't hurt.
    Absolutely. A large, flat roof of an arena would be ideal for a solar farm. Of course the payback is likely to be ~30-40 years based on current energy costs. We are often tasked to design for solar panels on the buildings we design. The only entities who end up putting the panels in are public ones who are spending tax payer dollars instead of their own due to the payback or ROI. If electricity costs are higher in the desert, it may pay. They obviously get much higher output in the desert than we do here in cloudy MN so a small increase in rates could swing it to profitability.

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    From the limited information from Google, they've utilized lots of green-scapes, a cool-roof design, and utilization of solar-reflective materials all to prevent T-Mobile arena from becoming a giant oven. Since it's MGM's building, I think they've had a few years of experimenting before building it.

    And this isn't the first building with an ice surface in Vegas. Thomas and Mack center has/had an ice plant where the IHL Las Vegas Thunder played. Orleans Arena hosted the (fairly successful) Las Vegas Wranglers of the ECHL.

    Also, the MGM Grand Garden Arena has been host to Coyote and Kings preseason games, and is still in use.

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    From the limited information from Google, they've utilized lots of green-scapes, a cool-roof design, and utilization of solar-reflective materials all to prevent T-Mobile arena from becoming a giant oven. Since it's MGM's building, I think they've had a few years of experimenting before building it.

    And this isn't the first building with an ice surface in Vegas. Thomas and Mack center has/had an ice plant where the IHL Las Vegas Thunder played. Orleans Arena hosted the (fairly successful) Las Vegas Wranglers of the ECHL.

    Also, the MGM Grand Garden Arena has been host to Coyote and Kings preseason games, and is still in use.
    Yeah, I don't think we really have to worry about Las Vegas figuring this out. They've somehow managed to construct buildings like the MGM Grand with 5000 rooms, an 18,000 seat arena and a massive casino and manage to keep it at a cool 70 degrees in the middle of the desert while leaving the doors open 24/7. Pretty sure they've got the whole "cooling" and massive water use things down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    USED, GODDAMMIT! Used, not utilized. "Utilized" is a word planted by the devil to sap our precious bodily fluids.

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    Absolutely. A large, flat roof of an arena would be ideal for a solar farm. Of course the payback is likely to be ~30-40 years based on current energy costs. We are often tasked to design for solar panels on the buildings we design. The only entities who end up putting the panels in are public ones who are spending tax payer dollars instead of their own due to the payback or ROI. If electricity costs are higher in the desert, it may pay. They obviously get much higher output in the desert than we do here in cloudy MN so a small increase in rates could swing it to profitability.
    About what I figured (and witnessed). I've been keeping an eye on this project. That's where my quarter-megawatt guess came from.
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    At the end of the day, we must leverage our language skillset to provide value-added synergy to the English knowledge base.
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    At the end of the day, we must leverage our language skillset to provide value-added synergy to the English knowledge base.
    Absolutely. Holistically speaking it's a win-win that will maximize core competency if we align all the moving parts and get all our ducks in a row. Time to think outside the box and let's make hay.

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    Getting back on topic.... Pretty classy move by the Penguins at the celebration. Wonder why Steigerwald didn't try to say his name?
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