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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    If Red knows what he's doing still, Nagelvoort will not play another minute unless it's in garbage time.

    Lavigne and LaFontaine are worlds ahead of Nagelvoort.

    Start LaFontaine with Lavigne as the backup.
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    I sat behind "Union fans" at the Philly Frozen Four. I don't think those 2 had been to a college hockey game, but all the sudden their team was in the championship so they were there. Some friends and I also ventured out to Schenectady last year for our game vs. Union. Between those experiences my stereotype of Union fans is that they are the kind of New Yorkers that believe every thought they have must be heard. They do not shut up, and they do not have a filter. Especially fun when you're in earshot and know 1/4 of what they are spouting is bull.
    So what I'm hearing is that I met the one decent Union fan? To be fair I said that we didn't really talk much although I thought the facepalm was absolutely hilarious. I guess that he could have toned it down as there was a gaggle of kids with him.
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    Not entirely sure what is going on with this team.

    If not for some very good goaltending, we should have been swept.

    Just controlling the puck to move down the ice seems to be a struggle right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    Not entirely sure what is going on with this team.

    If not for some very good goaltending, we should have been swept.

    Just controlling the puck to move down the ice seems to be a struggle right now.
    Talent void is obvious, but this team is full of freshmen that aren't getting very much upper classmen help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaker View Post
    Talent void is obvious, but this team is full of freshmen that aren't getting very much upper classmen help.
    I think we differ there. I think there is talent- it's just not working together, and mentally, it's getting to everyone.

    Or maybe I want to see talent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    I think we differ there. I think there is talent- it's just not working together, and mentally, it's getting to everyone.

    Or maybe I want to see talent...
    No, there is talent, but it is young and inexperienced. I see the same basic "system" oriented mistakes on defense. That is the problem in my opinion. The talent void I speak of is the type that could overcome those mistakes last season. At least our goaltending seems to be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by streaker View Post
    No, there is talent, but it is young and inexperienced. I see the same basic "system" oriented mistakes on defense. That is the problem in my opinion. The talent void I speak of is the type that could overcome those mistakes last season. At least our goaltending seems to be better.
    Seems to take a while for the system to start gelling, which is kind of troubling. Makes me wonder why Red hasn't altered it a little, or changed methods, since the amount of pre-season time he has directly has gone down. Or at least spend a LOT of time with the upperclassmen to have some drills the do before real coaching starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    Not entirely sure what is going on with this team.

    If not for some very good goaltending, we should have been swept.

    Just controlling the puck to move down the ice seems to be a struggle right now.
    You of all people should know this by now. We go through this every single year. Each and every year we struggle in October, November, and the first half of December. Why? We have a lot of Freshman playing every year because of people leaving early. This year we have a larger than normal Freshman class which is why it seems so distinctly evident. Remember, these new kids have never played against guys that much bigger, stronger, faster, and talented. It takes a minute for them to catch up to the speed of the game. Have patience grasshoppa, they'll get there. No changing systems won't help either. It's called growing pains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UMICH View Post
    You of all people should know this by now. We go through this every single year. Each and every year we struggle in October, November, and the first half of December. Why? We have a lot of Freshman playing every year because of people leaving early. This year we have a larger than normal Freshman class which is why it seems so distinctly evident. Remember, these new kids have never played against guys that much bigger, stronger, faster, and talented. It takes a minute for them to catch up to the speed of the game. Have patience grasshoppa, they'll get there. No changing systems won't help either. It's called growing pains.
    Here's the thing- we saw that they can do it well with Union. We also have a core group of people who should be able to teach the new guys. And, seeing the system that Mel has in place- apparently our system is not easy to learn and figure out. Yes, it works. Eventually. But should it be modified to pick up easier?

    The problem isn't the speed or size- it's mental. And it's not just the freshmen that look lost- Jr and Sr were making some pretty bad decisions out there- Cutler Martin had a horrible turn over at the blue line that turned into a goal- that should have never happened.

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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    Heading out to New England tonight. Going to the games at Vermont and Dartmouth with some friends.

    I hope to see our endurance improving. So far this Michigan team seems to tire early.

    West Texas Wolverine, if you see this, was it Vermont you were planning to go to? Are you still going? Hope to see you tomorrow.
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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by wolverineTrumpet View Post
    Heading out to New England tonight. Going to the games at Vermont and Dartmouth with some friends.

    I hope to see our endurance improving. So far this Michigan team seems to tire early.

    West Texas Wolverine, if you see this, was it Vermont you were planning to go to? Are you still going? Hope to see you tomorrow.
    Gonna have to rely on your witness of the game.. sounded pathetic to me.

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    It was pathetic. They just aren't a team yet. Half the passes are behind each other. UVM's first goal was a bad turnover in our zone. The second goal went 5 hole on Lavigne, he should have had it.

    Hockey East refs call a lot of penalties, but they called both ways and were valid. A couple of Michigan's penalties were just laziness/tired.

    Lots of room for improvement. Hopefully tomorrow is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolverineTrumpet View Post
    It was pathetic. They just aren't a team yet. Half the passes are behind each other. UVM's first goal was a bad turnover in our zone. The second goal went 5 hole on Lavigne, he should have had it.

    Hockey East refs call a lot of penalties, but they called both ways and were valid. A couple of Michigan's penalties were just laziness/tired.

    Lots of room for improvement. Hopefully tomorrow is better.
    Yeah you guys looked slow out of the gate. Vermont is generally a fast team but the D is terrible (O'Donnell handed you guys the puck about 3 times in the slot)... UVM has been surprisingly good this year so not sure it was a reflection on your guys.. UVM is much better so far than we expected.

    Regarding the refs.. it has been like that all year (you think HE refs have a quick whistle watch the ECAC Refs)..

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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by wolverineTrumpet View Post
    It was pathetic. They just aren't a team yet. Half the passes are behind each other. UVM's first goal was a bad turnover in our zone. The second goal went 5 hole on Lavigne, he should have had it.

    Hockey East refs call a lot of penalties, but they called both ways and were valid. A couple of Michigan's penalties were just laziness/tired.

    Lots of room for improvement. Hopefully tomorrow is better.
    Some hoped that Lavigne would step up and take control- a "shoulda" goal, and his rebound control issues would suggest he's not it, too. We will see Lafontaine tonight, I'm sure, and he shoulda had some against Tech. (this isn't a comment that we should have won, but we are working to find a goalie to take the net).

    The passing makes we think they are practicing slow. And that they come out slow makes me think that more.

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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    On a vacation note, wT- the colors must be pretty impressive in Vermont and New Hampshire. At least you have that to enjoy.

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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by alfablue View Post
    On a vacation note, wT- the colors must be pretty impressive in Vermont and New Hampshire. At least you have that to enjoy.
    along with the snow....?

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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    Quote Originally Posted by streaker View Post
    along with the snow....?
    Really.... funny considering how warm it is here.

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    Yes snow. Leaves were pretty, but it was overcast and rainy/snowy all weekend.

    I'm not sure I want to comment on last night's game. We looked decent in the first period. But that was because Dartmouth is not good. We gave up so many opportunities that other teams would have capitalized on.

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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    So if this team keeps going the way they are, this thread is going to end up being a low end Alumni travel thread.

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    Re: Michigan Wolverines 2016-2017 Season

    Certainly respect for your decision to refrain your comments on last night's game. However, a win is a win no matter how the other team looks combined with how your team played. Yes, Dartmouth could have capitalized on more opportunities, especially the full 2 minute 5 on 3 but they are young and inexperienced. While they did not cash in, their D held up except for the two PP goals you guys scored. Overall, 5 on 5 IMHO Dartmouth was the better team last night; I'll reiterate last night. Thanks for visiting and safe travels!

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