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    Doctors: does resistant to antibiotics of last resort mean forever or is it possible to discover / synthesize new ones? And if you feel like going on at greater length, why does the analysis of a bug not mean also knowing how to stop it? Are they too complicated, or is it like a code where just because you see the coded message doesn't mean you can decode it?
    Fair warning, off the cuff answer and I also am not an infectious disease doc. Resistant to antibiotics of last resort means the the bacterium is resistant to the one or so antibiotics we have to treat an already resistant bug. There are a few bugs that have one or two antibiotics left that we can actually use to treat them with and in some cases, they have not seemed to develop resistance in the same pattern because it is too large of an evolutionary step to hurdle. Oddly enough, sometimes if an antibiotic falls out of favor because of resistance, a bacterium can drift back to being susceptible to the disused antibiotic depending on the mechanism of susceptibility. This is because resistance is sometimes energy taxing to the bug and if they are not pressured, they will jettison the energy intensive traits that do not provide a selective advantage. It is always possible to discover new ones but we have fully used the proverbial "low hanging fruit" of antibiotics based on our current understanding of microbiology.

    We know how to stop all bugs...the problem is selectively killing the bug and saving the organism around it. Per XKCD, a handgun will kill bacteria in a petri dish.

    There are a few antibiotics that require infectious disease consults to prescribe because they are the "big guns" and our last resort to a few bugs. We use them very selectively because almost without fail, the more you use a drug, the more resistance will develop. Evolution is a *****. It is helpful to have the ID docs as gate-keepers because at times a caring physician will use some antibiotics inappropriately in patients who are having a poor hospital course as a last resort. I have used these last resort antibiotics a few times and usually they did not alter the clinical course, the patient was sick enough it probably did not matter and we were trying everything we had, even though they were prescribed within the infectious disease community's guidelines.

    Interestingly, I recently read a report regarding public thoughts on antibiotic resistance. The prevailing opinion of the "lay public" was antibiotic resistance was more of an individual problem as in "antibiotics wont work as well in me in the future" instead of "Everyone has the chance of getting a bug that we cannot treat." Helps explain why people still want antibiotics for a viral illness.


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    Personally, I'd play with the bacteria's genome to see if I could render it inert. Drugs always lead to another resistant strain.
    Altering a bacteria's genome is helpful in many ways but unless you are doing it to all of the bacteria that are resistant at the same time (or have a drug to do it which is pretty improbable), they will squeak by and continue to infect people.
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    God **** you. Why didn't you warn me?!

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    How do people this dumb actually make it through the day without wandering into traffic?

    In no way am I even semi-literate in biological science, but a ninth grade understanding of evolution takes care of this old creationist canard.

    Note: I have sympathy with people who have literally just never been taught correct biology. Christianist madrassa home schooling implies this group will always exist, as pseudo-science is passed down generation to generation, much like Scientology families producing Scientology kids. I work with several people like this. It is possible for people to be intelligent and function in the real world while being as clueless about basic science as I am about astrophysics. Compare how uneducated most people are in basic math.

    But Rush is obviously well aware of real science and he either is too dumb to understand it or, by far the more likely explanation, is a big fat fake ripping off his credulous audience.
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    I guarantee this will be reported as "child proves link between vaccines and autism" by the Usual Suspects*.

    * BTW, isn't it nice that on this one thing it's not left vs right? Both the Marin County affluenza fruit loops and the Jesus Freak shut-ins keep this thing alive. Maybe we can get bipartisan support to put them all on the B arc and shoot it into the sun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kepler View Post
    I guarantee this will be reported as "child proves link between vaccines and autism" by the Usual Suspects*.

    * BTW, isn't it nice that on this one thing it's not left vs right? Both the Marin County affluenza fruit loops and the Jesus Freak shut-ins keep this thing alive. Maybe we can get bipartisan support to put them all on the B arc and shoot it into the sun?
    Not exactly that, though the kid is now the target of anti-vaxxers, and is getting doxed.
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    Not exactly that, though the kid is now the target of anti-vaxxers, and is getting doxed.
    https://karenvaxblog.wordpress.com/2...omment-page-1/
    That was an interesting link.

    When I first watched the kid's video link provided by Kep, like pretty much everyone else I thought it was a very clever and well-made video. I did wonder, however, the extent to which it was a set up by larger forces. I just assumed maybe the kid had a parent or someone who was in the medical or drug field. It just struck me as odd that a kid this age would go ahead and make this video.

    This should be good for multiple levels of social media ranting by both sides for weeks.
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    If she says "I thought there would be no math," find another.

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    If she says "I thought there would be no math," find another.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...into-your-80s/
    ....while complete ignorance of math is not an impediment to finding employment as a reporter. These type of articles just infuriate me. "A correlates with B" does not mean A causes B, nor vice versa! Maybe living in blue houses causes people to have sex later in life and be good at math? Just as plausible as "maths can boost your sex life."
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    I really hope so (Dr. Mrs. has MS). There is a special place in hell for giving false hope to disease sufferers and this seems like a clickbait site, but again, let's hope so.

    The Lancet reference gives me a little bit of hope.
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    RUD = Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly
    Patsy Cline released a song about RUDs, it was titled I Fall to Pieces.
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    Patsy Cline released a song about RUDs, it was titled I Fall to Pieces.
    Velvet Revolver also did a song called "Fall to Pieces."
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    Did Janet Jackson have an RUD at the Sooper Bowel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joecct View Post
    Did Janet Jackson have an RUD at the Sooper Bowel?
    That was totally an RSD.
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