Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

[5mn_Major]

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A person wanted to apply the Bible to secular life. That person want to make the Christian religious text "the way" of life. Again, the use of Sharia may be inflammatory due to it being the Arab term for "the way," but it's hardly inaccurate.

Its a single piece of legislation by a noted right wing politician on porn. How is that turning society into a 'Christian way of life'?

[5mn_Major]

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I was actually just being a pis-sant. I do that sometimes. I'm sorry.

If your sincere, that's a cool thing.

[St. Clown]

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Its a single piece of legislation by a noted right wing politician on porn. How is that turning society into a 'Christian way of life'?

A couple weeks ago it was this single attempt on legislating morality. Then there's the abortion legislation in various states because "life begins at conception." Once upon a time adding "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. What will be the next instance? How many other instances are out there that don't make the national news circuit?

[5mn_Major]

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A couple weeks ago it was this single attempt on legislating morality. Then there's the abortion legislation in various states because "life begins at conception." Once upon a time adding "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance. What will be the next instance? How many other instances are out there that don't make the national news circuit?

Jesus said thou shall not kill; Jesus said its unhealthy to be a prostitute; Jesus said turn the other cheek; Jesus advocated the Golden Rule. Those are interpreted differently by conservatives and liberals.

There's legislation on porn here and there's gay marriage and pot there. Regardless of what 15% of religious extremists on both sides think, these are just age old battles of left/right and progress/conservatism.

[Kepler]

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If your sincere, that's a cool thing.

I am in fact sincere. I should probably use a "just trying to start an irresponsible fight" emoticon when I do this.

It's like keyboard Tourettes.

There are Dominionist a-holes out there who really do want to turn the US into a Handmaid's Tale theme park, but I don't think this particular jackwagon is one of them. I think he's just picking up lazy mouthbreather votes by waving the bloody Red Tube.

[Kepler]

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Jesus said its unhealthy to be a prostitute

He did?

Not arguing, just don't know that passage. Unless it was something like "ya know, MM, there are a lot of knuckledraggers in Galilee who will happily murder you if they find out you sell your sexuality without letting your father have a cut like the OT says to, so I'd kinda keep it on the D/L if I was youse..."

[5mn_Major]

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He did?

Not arguing, just don't know that passage. Unless it was something like "ya know, MM, there are a lot of knuckledraggers in Galilee who will happily murder you if they find out you sell your sexuality without letting your father have a cut like the OT says to, so I'd kinda keep it on the D/L if I was youse..."

He did for women 'living in sin' and those who were 'adulterers'. Prostitution is a disastrous lifestyle for the woman going through it...which could also qualify it. Its all such a related thing. And he didn't condemn said participants...only asked them 'to sin no more'.

[St. Clown]

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It all sounds so very science-y.

[Kepler]

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He did for women 'living in sin' and those who were 'adulterers'. Prostitution is a disastrous lifestyle for the woman going through it...which could also qualify it. Its all such a related thing. And he didn't condemn said participants...only asked them 'to sin no more'.

Are we talking about John 8:1-11? That appears to be solely about adultery, not whorin'.

Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Followed up by one of the best parts of the Gospel:

12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

13 The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true.

14 Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.

15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

18 I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

20 These words spake Jesus in the treasury, as he taught in the temple: and no man laid hands on him; for his hour was not yet come.

21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.

22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.

23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?

49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.

51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?

54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Interesting that it ends with the threat of the same stoning Jesus had prevented with the woman. We monkey people are not one trial learners.

[joecct]

Are we talking about John 8:1-11? That appears to be solely about adultery, not whorin'.



Followed up by one of the best parts of the Gospel:



Interesting that it ends with the threat of the same stoning Jesus had prevented with the woman. We monkey people are not one trial learners.

Blasphemers were (are) sorely punished.

[Kepler]

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Blasphemers were (are) sorely punished.

A bit petty. Omnipotent deity lays waste entire cities on a whim but can't take a little constructive criticism?

Thank you for your interest in our advertised position of metaphysical grounding, but we have decided to go in a different direction.

Sincerely,

Humanity

[joecct]

A bit petty. Omnipotent deity lays waste entire cities on a whim but can't take a little constructive criticism?

Thank you for your interest in our advertised position of metaphysical grounding, but we have decided to go in a different direction.

Sincerely,

Humanity

I was thinking of The Man Himself. He was killed because He proclaimed Himself as the Son of God to the High Sanhedrin.

Climate change deniers suffer a similar fate, too.

[5mn_Major]

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Are we talking about John 8:1-11? That appears to be solely about adultery, not whorin'.

And there's Luke 7 and John 4. I'm not really a strict literalist and more of a 'what's really the message here' guy. So with all these different data points including just the phrase 'living in sin' in Luke...I think its pretty safe to say Jesus would recommend against a life of prostitution.

[Kepler]

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And there's Luke 7 and John 4. I'm not really a strict literalist and more of a 'what's really the message here' guy. So with all these different data points including just the phrase 'living in sin' in Luke...I think its pretty safe to say Jesus would recommend against a life of prostitution.

I doubt He would care.

Jesus didn't seem to really care what you did with your genitals. That seems to be more a thing that the Early Fathers sitting around in their circle jerks dreaming of young boys were obsessed by.

Celibacy is unnatural and makes priests rape children. The rejection of the physical in favor of a beatific bodiless spirituality is a mental illness. The Church has never been able to get over those twin terrible perversions of own humanness. Don't pin it on The Lord. He doesn't care.

[Kepler]

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I was thinking of The Man Himself. He was killed because He proclaimed Himself as the Son of God to the High Sanhedrin.

Climate change deniers suffer a similar fate, too.

Only in the sense that they were both wrong...

Jesus wasn't actually wrong. We are all the sons and daughters of all the gods, and the fathers and mothers of all the gods -- we are their creators and destroyers. "And we saw all that we had made and saw it was good."