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    Quote Originally Posted by HockeyEast33 View Post
    This is starting to look like what I would have expected. I think the Harvard position is pretty real and accurate despite it being a huge departure from history. And the bottom 3 are pretty much a lock...
    It is real. We are bordering on godawful this year. It might be Katey's worst team since the mid nineties. We're in for a couple of more years like this unless we have a big jump in recruiting.

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    So yesterday against Mercyhurst the entire top line was out, along with 3 other players. I know there are at least a couple of injuries but I assume that the flu must be going through the team as well? We will see if there is a short bench again today. Selander also sat out yesterday's game but that may have been to give Bombay a start in a non-conference game. Bombay played pretty well.

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    So yesterday against Mercyhurst the entire top line was out, along with 3 other players. I know there are at least a couple of injuries but I assume that the flu must be going through the team as well? We will see if there is a short bench again today. Selander also sat out yesterday's game but that may have been to give Bombay a start in a non-conference game. Bombay played pretty well.
    Short bench, mostly injuries and yes that is why Selander sat. Should have beaten them to be honest, but not if you play like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giwan View Post
    Short bench, mostly injuries and yes that is why Selander sat. Should have beaten them to be honest, but not if you play like that.
    Playing much worse today. Lakers lead 5-1 after one period! Selander was pulled after giving up 3 goals in 5:42 and Bombay now in net. Shots were 17-3, many of the shots coming on 2 long 5 on 3 situations.

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    Playing much worse today. Lakers lead 5-1 after one period! Selander was pulled after giving up 3 goals in 5:42 and Bombay now in net. Shots were 17-3, many of the shots coming on 2 long 5 on 3 situations.
    WOW what is going on. I see the team is young but still.

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    That could have gone better. At least they weren't league games. Our margin over Dartmouth is currently just over a point, so we're walking a fairly thin line. That said, there's nothing we can do about it until next weekend, so let's just put in a couple of good games against RIT and earn some R__ bragging rights.

    RPI KRACH (RRWP): 44.30 (.3536)

    MCTs (Mean/Median/Mode/Range):
    Points - 16.70 / 17 / 16 and 17 / 4 - 31
    Rank - 8.31 / 8 / 8 / 3 - 12
    Playoffs - 56.3%
    Most likely opponent - at SLU (26.4%)

    Conference Rankings:
    1. SLU
    2. Clarkson
    3. Quinnipiac
    4. Colgate
    5. Cornell
    6. Princeton
    7. Yale
    8. RPI

    9. Dartmouth
    10. Harvard
    11. Brown
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    Last weekend proved that you can't take 4 forwards of the caliber of Horwood, Rooney, Tomlinson and Thomas out of lineup and still be competitive. Does anyone have news about the timing of when we might see these four back in uniform? Could be a long season if these are long term injuries.

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    Okay, so it was only RIT. But it was so nice to see RPI returning to form with Horwood, Thomas, and Tomlinson back in the lineup, all of whom had strong games in the Engineers 5-1 win today. Still missing Rooney.

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    Well, we got the split, and I'll take the two-game, total-goals win. Bragging rights attained. That said, RIT was bad and we shouldn't have to win on aggregate. In the end, pretty much nothing actually changed.

    Now we move into the last weekend before the break where we need to be able to pull down a few points in order to keep on a playoff pace.

    RPI KRACH (RRWP): 35.95 (.3157)

    MCTs (Mean/Median/Mode/Range):
    Points - 16.21 / 16 / 16 / 4 - 33
    Rank - 8.37 / 8 / 8 / 3 - 12
    Playoffs - 54.3%
    Most likely opponent - at SLU (27.2%)

    Conference Rankings:
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    2. Clarkson
    3. Quinnipiac
    4. Colgate
    5. Cornell
    6. Princeton
    7. Yale
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    10. Harvard
    11. Brown
    12. Union
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    Re: RPI Engineers 2016-2017: 10 Years on

    Julia Blitz's stats for this year http://www.pridehockey.com/roster_pl...bseason=303970

    mention on Pride's Facebook page of commitment https://www.facebook.com/pridehockey/?fref=nf


    Edit: I was scrolling down the Pride's Facebook page and noticed the link to the article on former Washington Pride skater Alexa Gruschow which was posted earlier. Alisa Harrison also played for them.

    I also noticed that SLU and Mercyhurst will be playing a two-game series at the Kettler Capitals Iceplex in January. Maybe RPI will do this someday. The Iceplex is the Washington Capitals' two-rink practice facility. It sits on top of the multilevel garage of the Ballston Common Mall in Arlington, VA. http://www.kettlercapitalsiceplex.com/
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    RPI's recruiting from Canada, while never high, seems to have really fallen off in the last few years. For ECAC teams (being so far from the other recruiting hotbed of Minnesota) recruiting from Canada seems to be a success factor. Here are the current conference win % and % of Canadians on each of the rosters:
    Clarkson 95% wins 73% Canadians
    SLU 85 39
    QU 75 33
    Colgate 72 62
    Cornell 72 58
    Princeton 55 50
    Yale 31 21
    RPI 25 17
    Harvard 21 27
    Dartmouth 14 52
    Brown 13 24
    Union 0 26
    All of the teams with below 30% Canadians are in the bottom half of the league. I don't think that generally the number of Canadians is key, its maybe just an indicator of how aggressively teams recruit. Boston College, for example (and of course the WCHA teams) have had great success without significant Canadian recruiting. Another interesting point about current standings is that RPI and Union are the only non-ivies who are not at the top of the standings. Union and the Ivies don't offer athletic scholarships. With RPI how much of it is the nature of the academic programs (difficult to get into, and heavily science oriented) and how much of it just insufficient attention to recruiting? Most Canadian provinces provide a higher standard of high school science and math prep for college so you would think that it would be a logical recruiting ground for RPI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hab View Post
    RPI's recruiting from Canada, while never high, seems to have really fallen off in the last few years. For ECAC teams (being so far from the other recruiting hotbed of Minnesota) recruiting from Canada seems to be a success factor. Here are the current conference win % and % of Canadians on each of the rosters:
    Clarkson 95% wins 73% Canadians
    SLU 85 39
    QU 75 33
    Colgate 72 62
    Cornell 72 58
    Princeton 55 50
    Yale 31 21
    RPI 25 17
    Harvard 21 27
    Dartmouth 14 52
    Brown 13 24
    Union 0 26
    All of the teams with below 30% Canadians are in the bottom half of the league. I don't think that generally the number of Canadians is key, its maybe just an indicator of how aggressively teams recruit. Boston College, for example (and of course the WCHA teams) have had great success without significant Canadian recruiting. Another interesting point about current standings is that RPI and Union are the only non-ivies who are not at the top of the standings. Union and the Ivies don't offer athletic scholarships. With RPI how much of it is the nature of the academic programs (difficult to get into, and heavily science oriented) and how much of it just insufficient attention to recruiting? Most Canadian provinces provide a higher standard of high school science and math prep for college so you would think that it would be a logical recruiting ground for RPI.
    I too have noticed that the number of Canadians has been falling in recent years. I don't know the cause, but I don't think it is on purpose since the only Canadian in the freshman class (Repaci) is the leading scorer.

    As has been pointed out before, by you I think, since the opportunities for playing pro are very limited for women, they rightfully consider academics more which means science/engineering. OTOH, "the ratio" may work in favor of recruiting women as pointed out by the first comment on the Facebook link I gave for Julia Blitz's commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph Baer View Post
    I too have noticed that the number of Canadians has been falling in recent years. I don't know the cause, but I don't think it is on purpose since the only Canadian in the freshman class (Repaci) is the leading scorer.

    As has been pointed out before, by you I think, since the opportunities for playing pro are very limited for women, they rightfully consider academics more which means science/engineering. OTOH, "the ratio" may work in favor of recruiting women as pointed out by the first comment on the Facebook link I gave for Julia Blitz's commitment.
    I would tell you it has nothing to do with recruiting Canadians or not. You already proved that by showing how the WCHA is stocked. Honestly I believe the answer is more basic, simple and right in front of you so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giwan View Post
    I would tell you it has nothing to do with recruiting Canadians or not. You already proved that by showing how the WCHA is stocked. Honestly I believe the answer is more basic, simple and right in front of you so to speak.
    I have no idea what you are talking about. The answer to what?

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    I believe the point was being made regarding success, that the bottom of the league has 30% or less Canadian players. So the implication of more Canadian players means more success. Hence the question being why does RPI not have more Canadian players which would imply more success. False positive

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    Quote Originally Posted by giwan View Post
    I believe the point was being made regarding success, that the bottom of the league has 30% or less Canadian players. So the implication of more Canadian players means more success. Hence the question being why does RPI not have more Canadian players which would imply more success. False positive
    Although I replied to hab's post, I was not addressing RPI's success/lack-of-success. I was just pointing out that I don't think it is on purpose that recently we have had fewer Canadian recruits.

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    The official team picture hasn't been post yet but the picture currently at the top of Kirsten Iwanski's twitter page has https://twitter.com/kiwanski18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giwan View Post
    I believe the point was being made regarding success, that the bottom of the league has 30% or less Canadian players. So the implication of more Canadian players means more success. Hence the question being why does RPI not have more Canadian players which would imply more success. False positive
    You may want to read my post more carefully. Aggressive and effective recruiting should be expected to be a success factor for all teams. Unless your campus is in a hockey hotbed (e.g. many of the WCHA teams) you need to expect to recruit far and wide to be competitive. I was suggesting that the number of Canadians on ECAC teams MAY be an indicator of how much effort is put into recruiting, NOT that you need Canadian players to be successful.

    So, how do you think RPI has been doing in recruiting in recent years, and do you have any thoughts on what they are doing right or wrong? Some of the teams that have had big year over year improvements through recruiting have developed specific pipelines into certain regions or programs. Much of the recruiting burden falls on the Assistant Coaches, and frequent turnover in the Assistants can disrupt the development of those relationships, but perhaps all teams face that challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hab View Post
    You may want to read my post more carefully. Aggressive and effective recruiting should be expected to be a success factor for all teams. Unless your campus is in a hockey hotbed (e.g. many of the WCHA teams) you need to expect to recruit far and wide to be competitive. I was suggesting that the number of Canadians on ECAC teams MAY be an indicator of how much effort is put into recruiting, NOT that you need Canadian players to be successful.

    So, how do you think RPI has been doing in recruiting in recent years, and do you have any thoughts on what they are doing right or wrong? Some of the teams that have had big year over year improvements through recruiting have developed specific pipelines into certain regions or programs. Much of the recruiting burden falls on the Assistant Coaches, and frequent turnover in the Assistants can disrupt the development of those relationships, but perhaps all teams face that challenge.
    Oh I read it and agree better recruiting is key but you brought up the Canadian issue. I also did note you said MAY but my point I believe still holds that it is not about having Canadian players. Do you believe Ohio is a hockey hot bed? Hardly yet that team is improving greatly even with two recent firings and not having coaching due to visa issues.

    Though recruiting does often fall to the asst. coaches, those inroads are, or at least should be built by the head coach. All those potential feeder programs do a lot of reaching out as well. Why? Because if they show they are sending players to D1 then THEIR program looks better, hence bringing in more players, higher demand, potentially more money either in greater fees or a 2nd feeder team program. Often this creates a want to get players from that feeder program, regardless of what line a player may be on, ie getting a 3rd line player from Shattuck as an example compared to say getting a 1st liner from the Thunder Bay Queens. If you get a player from Shattuck and they do not work out a coach can say well she played at Shattuck. Whereas if you get a player from the Thunder Bay Queens and they do not work out, people will say, what were you thinking. FYI I am not referring to any players in specific as I know RPI has players from Shattuck, just using them as a well known program vs a unknown program. Though I do know of at least one player playing D1 that was a former Thunder Bay Queen.

    It's just finding the right players to fit your system, or adjust your system to the best players you find, or change your system because it doesn't work. Not saying it is easy but I believe that is the best way for it to work.

    As far as RPI recruiting, I don't believe it is an issue of academics. There are other rigorous academic institutions both on the women's and men's side that show success. The reverse you could argue would be the least rigorous institutions have the best teams, obviously not true (well I guess that depends on your opinion of MN and WI ). I also do not buy in that the Ivies are hamstrung because of the lack of scholarships. Harvard and Cornell were powers at one time. Yes some of the Ivies who can not or will not offer more F Aid can find it more difficult. How do you explain the men's Union run? No NHL prospects either. I know many will argue you can't compare the men's recruiting to the women's I disagree. There are at least some comparisons that work for both.



    On another note, I did see the official team picture in the usual place in the arena.

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