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    Goodbye, Lord Jeff

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    AMHERST, Mass. — Lord Jeffery Amherst, the colonial military commander who gave this town its name, will no longer represent the prestigious liberal arts college here.

    The board of trustees at Amherst College announced on Tuesday that it had decided “not to employ this reference in its official communications, its messaging and its symbolism (including in the name of the Inn, the only place on the campus where the Lord Jeffery name officially appears).”
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    Quote Originally Posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/us...ies-below&_r=0

    AMHERST, Mass. — Lord Jeffery Amherst, the colonial military commander who gave this town its name, will no longer represent the prestigious liberal arts college here.

    The board of trustees at Amherst College announced on Tuesday that it had decided “not to employ this reference in its official communications, its messaging and its symbolism (including in the name of the Inn, the only place on the campus where the Lord Jeffery name officially appears).”
    more P.C. bull**it I am sure...these students now know that if you have a sit-in on campus the jellyfish administration will give you whatever you want, what a great example to to give these kids, I guess when they get into the real world and they dont get what they want they will just stage a sit in in the CEO's office
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    In Amherst's case the name was unofficial anyway so its not that big of a deal. People who want to use the name will use it and people who don't won't. If its true that a significant majority of the student body was against the name, then I don't mind the decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye22 View Post
    In Amherst's case the name was unofficial anyway so its not that big of a deal. People who want to use the name will use it and people who don't won't. If its true that a significant majority of the student body was against the name, then I don't mind the decision.
    It may have been unofficial but the nickname Lord Jeffs was used an awful lot for their athletic teams in game stories etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezdeJohnson09 View Post
    It may have been unofficial but the nickname Lord Jeffs was used an awful lot for their athletic teams in game stories etc.
    I just meant as compared to a situation like North Dakota. Its not like Amherst will be facing NCAA sanctions if some students continue to use the name.
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    The students are purple with rage and having a cow over the nickname/mascot.

    Eph them!

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    I can remember going to a football game at Dartmouth College in 1969, shortly after the school had made the decision to officially change the nickname of its teams from Indians to Big Green.

    I saw a student who evidently disagreed with the decision going through the stands with an Indian brave's headband and feather on his head, and a drawing of a hand, middle finger extended, painted in green on his back.

    Political correctness really isn't all that new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye22 View Post
    I just meant as compared to a situation like North Dakota. Its not like Amherst will be facing NCAA sanctions if some students continue to use the name.
    It's the NESCAC & Western Massachusetts. They're weird out there.

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    Re: Goodbye, Lord Jeff

    So what are we supposed to call them now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    So what are we supposed to call them now?
    The Titmouse. (I don't think there is a plural)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_TG View Post
    So what are we supposed to call them now?
    According to the article the Moose is being thrown out there as a replacement idea. Go Moose! Wait, or is it Mooses? Meese?
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    Re: Goodbye, Lord Jeff

    I'm sure the womens' teams are overjoyed by that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GB Puck Fan View Post
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/us...ies-below&_r=0

    AMHERST, Mass. — Lord Jeffery Amherst, the colonial military commander who gave this town its name, will no longer represent the prestigious liberal arts college here.

    The board of trustees at Amherst College announced on Tuesday that it had decided “not to employ this reference in its official communications, its messaging and its symbolism (including in the name of the Inn, the only place on the campus where the Lord Jeffery name officially appears).”
    This political correctness garbage has gotten way, way out of control. Next they will probably want to change the name of the town to something more politically correct, perhaps Recycleville would be a good choice !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallhd View Post
    This political correctness garbage has gotten way, way out of control. Next they will probably want to change the name of the town to something more politically correct, perhaps Recycleville would be a good choice !!!!
    Barnstown??

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallhd View Post
    This political correctness garbage has gotten way, way out of control. Next they will probably want to change the name of the town to something more politically correct, perhaps Recycleville would be a good choice !!!!
    If we continue down the round we are going on, the name might be something Sovietesque,maybe Lord Jeffskow

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakdraft21 View Post
    more P.C. bull**it I am sure...these students now know that if you have a sit-in on campus the jellyfish administration will give you whatever you want, what a great example to to give these kids, I guess when they get into the real world and they dont get what they want they will just stage a sit in in the CEO's office
    Did you miss the part where Jeff Amherst has always been accused of systematically giving a deadly disease to a whole population?

    This is way beyond using a name that may be offensive to some. This is honoring someone who planned a racial cleansing program. That is where the true b*llsh*t is...
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    Re: Goodbye, Lord Jeff

    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    Did you miss the part where Jeff Amherst has always been accused of systematically giving a deadly disease to a whole population?

    This is way beyond using a name that may be offensive to some. This is honoring someone who planned a racial cleansing program. That is where the true b*llsh*t is...
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    One of the most infamous and well documented issues during Pontiac's War was the use of biological warfare against the Native Americans. The suggestion was posed by Amherst himself in letters to Colonel Henry Bouquet.[19] Amherst, having learned that smallpox had broken out among the garrison at Fort Pitt, and after learning of the loss of his forts at Venango, Le Boeuf and Presqu'Isle, wrote to Colonel Bouquet:

    Could it not be contrived to send the small pox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.

    Bouquet, who was already marching to relieve Fort Pitt, agreed with this suggestion in a postscript when he responded to Amherst just days later on July 13, 1763:

    P.S. I will try to inocculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets that may fall in their hands, taking care however not to get the disease myself. As it is pity to oppose good men against them, I wish we could make use of the Spaniard's Method, and hunt them with English Dogs. Supported by Rangers, and some Light Horse, who would I think effectively extirpate or remove that Vermine.

    In response, also in a postscript, Amherst replied:

    P.S. You will Do well to try to Innoculate [sic] the Indians by means of Blankets, as well as to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race. I should be very glad your Scheme for Hunting them Down by Dogs could take Effect, but England is at too great a Distance to think of that at present.


    Historians Elizabeth Fenn and Benedict Kiernan have shown, "Fort Pitt had anticipated these orders. Reporting on parleys with Delaware chiefs on June 24, a trader [William Trent] wrote: '[We] gave them two Blankets and an Handkerchief out of the Small Pox Hospital. I hope it will have the desired effect.' The military hospital records confirm that two blankets and handkerchiefs were 'taken from people in the Hospital to Convey the Smallpox to the Indians.' The fort commander paid for these items, which he certified 'were had for the uses above mentioned.' Historian Elizabeth Fenn has documented 'the eruption of epidemic smallpox' among Delaware and Shawnee Indians nearby, about the time the blankets were distributed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Russell Jaslow View Post
    Did you miss the part where Jeff Amherst has always been accused of systematically giving a deadly disease to a whole population?

    This is way beyond using a name that may be offensive to some. This is honoring someone who planned a racial cleansing program. That is where the true b*llsh*t is...
    hmmmmmmmmmmm wonder who came up with that one, dont believe eveything you read,I dont for sure, my point is bigger than this naming episode,which I am sure there will be more,hopefully my high school does not have to change their name,The Braves......but the P.C. Bull**it that may ruin this country,or turn it over to those with initials for a name.I think its IS*** or whtever that jellyfish in the WH wants to call them.
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    p.s. the words " has always been accused" is also in that statement,dont remember seeing the video on You Tube as a certain lawyer Ron Kuby would say,not that I am a Kuby supporter by any means...there have been to many fables,myths,and whatever else you want to call them passed down thru history to believe them all,IMHO..........now back to hockey
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakdraft21 View Post
    hmmmmmmmmmmm wonder who came up with that one, dont believe eveything you read,I dont for sure, my point is bigger than this naming episode,which I am sure there will be more,hopefully my high school does not have to change their name,The Braves......but the P.C. Bull**it that may ruin this country,or turn it over to those with initials for a name.I think its IS*** or whtever that jellyfish in the WH wants to call them.
    The UMass website has the supporting documentation - they can be viewed here.

    Conclusion

    All in all, the letters provided here remove all doubt about the validity of the stories about Lord Jeff and germ warfare. The General's own letters sustain the stories.
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