College Football 2015-16: Bowls, Playoffs, and Offseason

[Spartanforlife4]

Re: College Football 2015-16: Bowls, Playoffs, and Offseason

What will be interesting is if anyone covers up criminal cover-ups.

But IF all the administrators get fired (and go to jail, as appropriate) and involved players go to jail- that's not enough? I see your point, but IF enough people get "taken out" it seems like that would be enough.

Well, here's a fun start to the cover-ups. Ken Starr changes answer three times with help of PR director.

[MaizeRage]

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Even if it doesn't get the official death penalty a la SMU, they'll get something worse than PSU received because the NCAA can't be seen as weak on rape twice in a row for big schools.

The difference is that Baylor is new money, Penn State is old money. The NCAA would have loved to give Penn State more than a slap on the wrist, but the truth is, their actual power is kind of limited if someone is willing to put up a real fight against them. The level of fanaticism was so deeply ingrained at Penn State that people were willing to close their eyes, cover their ears, and keeping fighting to the point that it just didn't even become worth it for the NCAA. I don't see that happening at Baylor and they'll probably get hammered for it(and rightfully so).

[joecct]

The difference is that Baylor is new money, Penn State is old money. The NCAA would have loved to give Penn State more than a slap on the wrist, but the truth is, their actual power is kind of limited if someone is willing to put up a real fight against them. The level of fanaticism was so deeply ingrained at Penn State that people were willing to close their eyes, cover their ears, and keeping fighting to the point that it just didn't even become worth it for the NCAA. I don't see that happening at Baylor and they'll probably get hammered for it(and rightfully so).

Where in the NCAA bylaws gave the NCAA permission to drop the hammer on Penn St.? You have to violate a bylaw (not a criminal statute) for NCAA administrative penalties to happen.

[MaizeRage]

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Where in the NCAA bylaws gave the NCAA permission to drop the hammer on Penn St.? You have to violate a bylaw (not a criminal statute) for NCAA administrative penalties to happen.

This was my point. 409, brother. At whatever cost, 409.

[St. Clown]

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Where in the NCAA bylaws gave the NCAA permission to drop the hammer on Penn St.? You have to violate a bylaw (not a criminal statute) for NCAA administrative penalties to happen.

Something in the NCAA's bylaws would have been written that require schools to act with honesty and integrity, or similar wording. Failure on the part of the PSU coaching staff to report Sandusky raping those boys would show a lack of commitment to the bylaws to which PSU would have agreed to support when signing up for the NCAA long ago.

[joecct]

Something in the NCAA's bylaws would have been written that require schools to act with honesty and integrity, or similar wording. Failure on the part of the PSU coaching staff to report Sandusky raping those boys would show a lack of commitment to the bylaws to which PSU would have agreed to support when signing up for the NCAA long ago.

That's criminal (and civil). The bylaws deal with recruiting, and eligibility and championships.

If Jerry was embezzling the athletic department to the tune of $100,000 annually and was the behavior was reported to the administration and they did nothing, could the NCAA drop the hammer?

[St. Clown]

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That's criminal (and civil). The bylaws deal with recruiting, and eligibility and championships.

If Jerry was embezzling the athletic department to the tune of $100,000 annually and was the behavior was reported to the administration and they did nothing, could the NCAA drop the hammer?

The NCAA is independent of the court system. They're their own entity. It really doesn't matter what ruling a judge or jury would hand down. Once you voluntarily join an organization and sign documents to agree with their rules, you've agreed to their punishments as well. Unless the NCAA acts outside the authority granted to them by the schools, one of which the NCAA has been granted is clearly the "Death Penalty," there's nothing the offending college or university can do.

[joecct]

The NCAA is independent of the court system. They're their own entity. It really doesn't matter what ruling a judge or jury would hand down. Once you voluntarily join an organization and sign documents to agree with their rules, you've agreed to their punishments as well. Unless the NCAA acts outside the authority granted to them by the schools, one of which the NCAA has been granted is clearly the "Death Penalty," there's nothing the offending college or university can do.

Ah, the Goodell defense.

[St. Clown]

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The bylaws clearly deal with more than just recruiting, eligibility and championships as they also dictate to the schools how much time an athlete can spend in preparation for games. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on them, but the NCAA is such a large organization they're sure to have a large number of CYA rules and regs to encompass events like this.

[Slap Shot]

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Ah, the Goodell defense.

Is your angle:

1) Sandusky didn't do anything
2) PSU didn't really do anything
3) The NCAA are big meanies

Seriously?

[joecct]

Re: College Football 2015-16: Bowls, Playoffs, and Offseason

Is your angle:

1) Sandusky didn't do anything
2) PSU didn't really do anything
3) The NCAA are big meanies

Seriously?

No - a crime was committed. Jerry Sandusky will not see the light of day as a free man in this lifetime.
No - a coverup by university officials occurred. Civil and criminal penalties should apply (see the RC Church).
Yes - Did Mark Emmert have the authority to do what he did? The rollback suggests he did not.

[unofan]

Where in the NCAA bylaws gave the NCAA permission to drop the hammer on Penn St.? You have to violate a bylaw (not a criminal statute) for NCAA administrative penalties to happen.

2.1, 2.2, 2.4, and 2.8 of the division 1 manual

[French Rage]

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Granted it's the ESPYs, but one college football player got nominated for Best Record-Breaking Performance. Oddly the Heisman voters decided not to choose that guy.

[bigmrg74]

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This is likely to set off a scoreboard building boom in the MAC. Or drive them off to either drop their programs down or drop football altogether.

40 foot tall, 72.5 feet wide for a grand total of 2900 square feet. It would be just 4 square feet smaller than the video screen at Oregon. The biggest board currently in the MAC is at Toledo, which is only 1500 square feet, at 50 feet by 30 feet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...m_video_boards

[French Rage]

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"How's Joe Paterno? We're gonna bring that back? Right? How about that whole deal?"