New age restrictions for NCAA hockey

[Wisko McBadgerton]

Re: New age restrictions for NCAA hockey

without complete analysis of the players and their specific circumstances and complete knowledge of redshirt players here is what I have based on a cutoff date of 9/1 each year the WCHA has the following breakdown:

18 yo (12, 4.4%)
19 yo (46, 16.7%)
20 yo (113, 41.1%)
21 yo+ (104, 37.8%)

I appreciate that this took some time to look through. Wisconsin has 5 players that I think would fall into this age category, but only one that I think it would make a difference for. If all WCHA teams were like that, then there would be about 20-21 players affected. Which is completely not what I'm saying. I'm saying I don't know what to make of it. But as we speak, I trust someone is in their mom's basement dutifully researching every single player in the NCAA to get the answer!

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Nor should it be driven by a small minority of coaches using sleazy and underhanded tactics to get what they want, purely because it gives them a competitive advantage. But here we are.

I don't know... isn't that pretty much how NCAA Football (and to a slightly lesser extent, Basketball) works?

[joecct]

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40 years ago when I was an undergrad at Clarkson, the freshman were either 18 or 19 (though Dave Taylor was 17 when he played his 1st varsity game). US players generally went an extra year in prep school (hello Northwood!) to get even with the Canadian kids who had grade 13. It was the same at all the other ECAC schools and the few CCHA (St. Louis, BG and WMU) that we played. US Junior leagues were non existent.

Somewhere along the line some enterprising college coach realized that he could play (and win!) with older players. If the program was successful (and, if it is who I think it was, it was very successful) then in the monkey see, monkey do world of sports other schools began to copy this school.

Ah - but since US kids are 18 when they graduate from college and now colleges are recruiting 20 year olds, what happens to the poor US waifs? Voila! The USHL, followed soon by the NAHL and then the EJHL. Without the expansion of recruiting 20 year olds, US junior leagues would be a lot smaller.

FYI, IIHF junior leagues are U20, which means 20 year olds are not playing. North American junior leagues are 20U.

[UML]

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So all this basically means is that the big ten will be in control of making the rules for NCAA D1 hockey moving forward.

[Shirtless Guy]

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I appreciate that this took some time to look through. Wisconsin has 5 players that I think would fall into this age category, but only one that I think it would make a difference for. If all WCHA teams were like that, then there would be about 20-21 players affected. Which is completely not what I'm saying. I'm saying I don't know what to make of it. But as we speak, I trust someone is in their mom's basement dutifully researching every single player in the NCAA to get the answer!

I'm in my own basement right now, and I hope to work through every team...just started with my own league. It takes an awful lot of time with not everything being located on either eliteprospects (missing class) or uscho (missing DOB).

[manurespreader]

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So if you are the B1g and your ratings are dropping and you can find a straw man to blame it on,
And you can make more money and win more by getting the rule changed. why not. Makes sense to me.

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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Dan Myers spoke to Don Lucia today:

http://danmyers.blogspot.com/2015/11...ll-things.html

[The Exiled One]

Dan Myers spoke to Don Lucia today:

http://danmyers.blogspot.com/2015/11...ll-things.html

“So they are looking out for their program, and I am looking out for ours."

There it is. The rest is window dressing.

[Scarlet]

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The bigger issue for me is that they went to the NCAA and did an end run around the rest of college hockey. People who have nothing to do with college hockey are going to be making a decision that will change the landscape of the game. That is a really crappy way to go about bringing this change.

[St. Clown]

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40 years ago when I was an undergrad at Clarkson, the freshman were either 18 or 19 (though Dave Taylor was 17 when he played his 1st varsity game). US players generally went an extra year in prep school (hello Northwood!) to get even with the Canadian kids who had grade 13. It was the same at all the other ECAC schools and the few CCHA (St. Louis, BG and WMU) that we played. US Junior leagues were non existent.

Somewhere along the line some enterprising college coach realized that he could play (and win!) with older players. If the program was successful (and, if it is who I think it was, it was very successful) then in the monkey see, monkey do world of sports other schools began to copy this school.

Ah - but since US kids are 18 when they graduate from college and now colleges are recruiting 20 year olds, what happens to the poor US waifs? Voila! The USHL, followed soon by the NAHL and then the EJHL. Without the expansion of recruiting 20 year olds, US junior leagues would be a lot smaller.

FYI, IIHF junior leagues are U20, which means 20 year olds are not playing. North American junior leagues are 20U.

Back in the day, Minnesota refused to play Denver because they started placing older players on their roster. It's something that gets brought up at least once per season by the media, it seams. It's a funny thing to think about with them both being WCHA at the time, yet there was a long stretch of years they didn't play. DU did quite well for itself during that time.

[MGoBlueHockey]

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What do you mean Rutgers didn't work out? The B1G got the New York TV market because of it. That's all they ever wanted out of Rutgers.

Not sure if serious.

No one gives two ****s about Rutgers. Syracuse is New York's college team.

[St. Clown]

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I'm in my own basement right now, and I hope to work through every team...just started with my own league. It takes an awful lot of time with not everything being located on either eliteprospects (missing class) or uscho (missing DOB).

Wouldn't hockeydb have that type of info? It might not be in the right format to easily grab, now that I think of it.

[MGoBlueHockey]

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It's not just Delaney. It's Red. It's Anastos. It's Lucia. It's Barry Alvarez and all the coaches and AD's. Take away the AHA games and the non conference record is abysmal. It had to be stopped.

Half of the conference should be looking for new coaches next year. Michigan obviously is, though it's not really much of a search as it is a phone call to the North.

[Dirty Dream No. 2]

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For thirteen years, Tom Anastos watched college hockey flourish under his leadership of the CCHA. But now that he is currently 32-39-11 (.457) as a head coach, it's apparently all the small schools fault in recruiting "overaged canadians" that his team sucks and can't win games.

No problem with schools recruiting the would-be 25 year old seniors when he controlled 12 teams. Now that he controls one, it's a problem.

The thing that pi55ed me off the most about the CHN story was Tom freaking Anastos opining about what's wrong with the current eligibility system. Of all people, a man who can barely win at a school with everything going for it like Michigan State thinks he knows what's best for the sport. Tom Anastos deserves to be coaching club teams.

Screw the Big 14 to the high heavens. These aholes destroyed college hockey and now that they're getting their just desserts they want to rig the game in their favor. Screw them.

[davyd83]

Half of the conference should be looking for new coaches next year. Michigan obviously is, though it's not really much of a search as it is a phone call to the North.

Mel's not coming back to Michigan.